Which specific Jews are not Zionists? Zionism is generally defined as the belief that Jews have a right to self government and a return to their ancestral homeland.
Most Jews, as well as most Americans and most everybody outside of terrorist shitholes and Russia agrees with the basic concepts of Zionism to some degree of another.
We can talk about getting a more left wing government in Israel and trying Netanyahu for warcrimes, but wanting Jews gone from their homeland is an absolute non starter.
I know plenty of antizionist Jewish people. Some of them would be comfortable living in what is now Israel as a homeland IF it wasn’t a settler colonialist apartheid state and was some sort of pluralistic democratic society.
It can and should, and it did before the colonists. Modern Zionism (and probably Zionism always) is their exclusive control over it. Their magic book tells them how evil their neighbors are and encourages them killing them. I don’t think most Jews follow that crap, but the fact that Zionists want to remove anyone else and that’s in there doesn’t help them.
Hi, I’m an anti-zionist Jew and absolutely fuck Israel! Zionism is bad for everyone, including us. It conflates our religion with a genocidal ideology that rightfully terrifies the rest of the world, which then makes the world think they hate Jews (because they keep hearing “Judaism=Israel”). Despite what Zionist Jews may say, ending Zionism will help us, not hurt us.
Who do you include in the rest of the world? Based on your other comment, I get the impression you understand Zionism to mean something very different from what it’s historically been.
Layna Sherman Crandell from the MN Anti-War Committee explained, “Zionism requires prioritizing the majority rule of some lives over others, necessitating the dehumanization of Palestinians. Israel is not Judaism; it is fascistic terror. Matsiyahu and the Zionists cannot speak for me or for the Jewish people, and they will not silence the voices of Palestinians in their fight for freedom and liberation.”
I love to see the “they’re using civilians as human shields” argument. They’re in one of the most densely populated places in the world and aren’t allowed to leave. There isn’t really space that isn’t surrounded by civilians. There literally is not an option (except for attack into Israeli territory, which I’m sure you’re against also).
I can’t punch you for being part of a protected group, that would be wrong. I can punch you for being a Nazi who just happens to be part of a protected group.
We have to allow the Nazis to speak or else we’re racist against white people!
This has absolutely nothing to do with them being Jewish. It has to do with them being complicit in a genocide. Zionists can be Jewish or not and Jews can be Zionists or not. They aren’t the same thing.
The specific Zionists you are accusing of genocide are themselves Jews, specifically Jews who are the children and grandchildren of holocaust survivors.
The war didn’t start on October 7th though, it started when Zionist terrorists started settling in Palestine and committing atrocities against the local Palestinians and the British. If we could pick and choose when to start history, one could argue that the holocaust was justified because everything was peaceful until the Warsaw ghetto uprising, and just conveniently ignore why the Warsaw ghetto existed in the first place.
I would say the war started when Jewish settlers started purchasing farms and refused to hire anyone but Jews. It ripped any possibility of survival from the people who traditionally worked those farms. It forced their only hope to be fighting back.
For a time both Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully, and the first Kibbutz seemed to want to work together and free the workers from the oppression of the traditional landowners. Once they started only hiring Jews there was no going back. This was the end of peace, and it was started by the Jewish settlers. Oct 7th 2023 is only a small moment in a much larger conflict.
This headline was literally the day before, Zionist settlers killed a Palestinian civilian during an assault. The article goes on to describe Palestine asking for international help to stop armed settler militias, and Israel’s finance minister openly supporting further ILLEGAL settlements. Israel is our ally, but they are not the good guys in this fight. The problem is that Israel is clearly in the wrong under international law but it has toothless enforcement. That’s emboldened Israel to keep breaking the law in building further settlements on Palestinian land. Your boots on their neck is still war to them. I’m not justifying October 7th, but October 7th doesn’t justify still bombing them 5 months later or flouting international law with regards to the settlements.
Attempting to take away Jews’ rights to conduct business in designated zones… Where have we seen that before?
The harassment of Jewish artists in American cities is not helping save Palestinian lives and you need to stop pretending otherwise.
The artist being Jewish is not a problem.
Being a Zionist is the problem.
Conflating those two things is as racist as assuming all Chinese people are hardcore Maoists.
Which specific Jews are not Zionists? Zionism is generally defined as the belief that Jews have a right to self government and a return to their ancestral homeland.
Most Jews, as well as most Americans and most everybody outside of terrorist shitholes and Russia agrees with the basic concepts of Zionism to some degree of another.
We can talk about getting a more left wing government in Israel and trying Netanyahu for warcrimes, but wanting Jews gone from their homeland is an absolute non starter.
I know plenty of antizionist Jewish people. Some of them would be comfortable living in what is now Israel as a homeland IF it wasn’t a settler colonialist apartheid state and was some sort of pluralistic democratic society.
Their homeland?
The land can, has and will support a multitude of people for thousands of years.
It can and should, and it did before the colonists. Modern Zionism (and probably Zionism always) is their exclusive control over it. Their magic book tells them how evil their neighbors are and encourages them killing them. I don’t think most Jews follow that crap, but the fact that Zionists want to remove anyone else and that’s in there doesn’t help them.
Hi, I’m an anti-zionist Jew and absolutely fuck Israel! Zionism is bad for everyone, including us. It conflates our religion with a genocidal ideology that rightfully terrifies the rest of the world, which then makes the world think they hate Jews (because they keep hearing “Judaism=Israel”). Despite what Zionist Jews may say, ending Zionism will help us, not hurt us.
The rest of the world isn’t terrified of Israel or considers Zionism itself to be genocidal.
Take a break from tiktok.
Who do you include in the rest of the world? Based on your other comment, I get the impression you understand Zionism to mean something very different from what it’s historically been.
Well, let’s simplify it.
Which specific countries are you suggesting are terrified of Israel?
Fuck off nazi.
Yes, because the Nazis were the ones who called for more left wing governments.
I’m glad the tankies have finally taken their masks off, it’s just a shame it had to be over this, the very thing we said it would be.
So Palestinians fighting for their own homeland is fascist as well, by this person’s logic.
When Hamas took the hostages into Gaza and refused to take the battlefield elsewhere, were they being just as fascist?
I’m pretty sure the people trapped in the world’s largest concentration camp can’t take things far past their walls.
I love to see the “they’re using civilians as human shields” argument. They’re in one of the most densely populated places in the world and aren’t allowed to leave. There isn’t really space that isn’t surrounded by civilians. There literally is not an option (except for attack into Israeli territory, which I’m sure you’re against also).
You can’t be pro-Palestine if you are defending the actions of Hamas.
I can’t punch you for being part of a protected group, that would be wrong. I can punch you for being a Nazi who just happens to be part of a protected group.
Same logic.
Punch Zionists everyday.
So you are going to ohnch Matisyahu because you think he is a Nazi?
I’m not going to “ohnch” anyone
I apologize, I think my spell check found you too insignificant to activate for.
I have given google a stern talking to.
We have to allow the Nazis to speak or else we’re racist against white people!
This has absolutely nothing to do with them being Jewish. It has to do with them being complicit in a genocide. Zionists can be Jewish or not and Jews can be Zionists or not. They aren’t the same thing.
The specific Zionists you are accusing of genocide are themselves Jews, specifically Jews who are the children and grandchildren of holocaust survivors.
Israel didn’t declare war on Oct. 7. Hamas did.
The war didn’t start on October 7th though, it started when Zionist terrorists started settling in Palestine and committing atrocities against the local Palestinians and the British. If we could pick and choose when to start history, one could argue that the holocaust was justified because everything was peaceful until the Warsaw ghetto uprising, and just conveniently ignore why the Warsaw ghetto existed in the first place.
No, the current war being fought literally started on Oct. 7th.
I would say the war started when Jewish settlers started purchasing farms and refused to hire anyone but Jews. It ripped any possibility of survival from the people who traditionally worked those farms. It forced their only hope to be fighting back.
For a time both Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully, and the first Kibbutz seemed to want to work together and free the workers from the oppression of the traditional landowners. Once they started only hiring Jews there was no going back. This was the end of peace, and it was started by the Jewish settlers. Oct 7th 2023 is only a small moment in a much larger conflict.
So essentially, no matter what anybody says, your argument will be framed around absolving Hamas from any culpability.
This headline was literally the day before, Zionist settlers killed a Palestinian civilian during an assault. The article goes on to describe Palestine asking for international help to stop armed settler militias, and Israel’s finance minister openly supporting further ILLEGAL settlements. Israel is our ally, but they are not the good guys in this fight. The problem is that Israel is clearly in the wrong under international law but it has toothless enforcement. That’s emboldened Israel to keep breaking the law in building further settlements on Palestinian land. Your boots on their neck is still war to them. I’m not justifying October 7th, but October 7th doesn’t justify still bombing them 5 months later or flouting international law with regards to the settlements.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-killed-during-settler-assault-west-bank-town-palestinian-officials-2023-10-06/