COVID-19 is becoming more like the flu and, as such, no longer requires its own virus-specific health rules, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday alongside the release of a unified “respiratory virus guide.”
In a lengthy background document, the agency laid out its rationale for consolidating COVID-19 guidance into general guidance for respiratory viruses—including influenza, RSV, adenoviruses, rhinoviruses, enteroviruses, and others, though specifically not measles. The agency also noted the guidance does not apply to health care settings and outbreak scenarios.
“COVID-19 remains an important public health threat, but it is no longer the emergency that it once was, and its health impacts increasingly resemble those of other respiratory viral illnesses, including influenza and RSV,” the agency wrote.
The most notable change in the new guidance is the previously reported decision to no longer recommend a minimum five-day isolation period for those infected with the pandemic coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. Instead, the new isolation guidance is based on symptoms, which matches long-standing isolation guidance for other respiratory viruses, including influenza.
Fuck you CDC. Long Covid is real.
Just leave 5 days as a recommendation. What’s the harm in that? fuckers.
Ed: CDC could do better to protect people, but instead bend to capitalist (mostly GQP) forces to ignore that edict and get sick people back out working.
Fwiw, they mostly did, it’s just that it is no longer restricted solely to COVID and now is shared with others.
e.g. stating that people should “take precautions”, which if someone can work from home could be that, and/or wearing masks if not, etc. Unfortunately, not everyone (single mothers?) has the luxury of taking a week off whenever they want or even NEED to.
Also, this is just a guess but I am fairly positive that this is based on all the EXTREME amount of push-back that they have been putting up with from Republicans over the last few years to CONTINUALLY get all up in their business, despite barely having finished a high school’s worth of edumacashiun. And probably also, to an enormously lesser degree, from Democrats who want to push the “pandemic is solved, b/c Biden won the last election” message that they believe will resonate with the handful of centrist people left in the country.
So this is once again a symptom of late-stage capitalism, where obstructionists shoot the department in the head, then complain how “ineffective” it is after that.
e.g. stating that people should “take precautions”, which if someone can work from home could be that, and/or wearing masks if not, etc. Unfortunately, not everyone (single mothers?) has the luxury of taking a week off whenever they want or even NEED to.
On the other hand, employers will take this to mean ‘come in or else,’ even if WFH is an option. I know for a fact that my previous hybrid job that claimed they were doing whatever the CDC suggested would interpret this as ‘you can come into the office after 24 hours of the symptoms ending.’ I guarantee you that they would be far from alone.
So yeah, this would help those single mothers. This will also spread a lot more COVID and possibly kill those single mothers.
First, this is (legit!) the first I am hearing about a job that actually pays attention to the advice of CDC. For multiple YEARS now we have been inundated by stories of corps that have ignored that, time and again, sometimes being more lenient than normal (e.g. allowing WFH 100% of the time) while other times being far less. I am saying that this “advice” from the CDC was never binding to begin with. I wonder how normal that situation you describe is? Maybe it is far more common than our media sources have led us to believe?
Second, they still say to “take precautions”, which now is expanded to include other respiratory viruses that can likewise kill - e.g. more severe flus that can be damaging especially to the elderly or those with compromised immune systems.
I haven’t even mentioned how the variants have changed the scope of the situation, and/or what expectations there are in the coming months (perhaps, although this article did not tell us, this merely describes the baseline but there may be special alerts during peak times and/or irt special variants that would modify this advice, specially to those particular circumstances?). I was just presuming that they, being the CDC, know more than me, who to be absolutely clear, does not have an M.D.
What I do know is that Republicans kept HOUNDING the agency, DEMANDING that they explain every tiny little thing down to the smallest detail, all without paying the slightest attention to its responses - i.e. like a DDoS attack, it just became another form of harassment that wasted an enormous fraction of their budget every year - it’s the election counting scenario all over again. Also, I note that despite the federal fiscal budget year having begun back on October 1, we are now IN THE SIXTH MONTH of that fiscal year, but still with no fiscal budget. i.e., the CDC, like every other federal agency, has come upon hard times. Will their budget increase (which seems as likely as flaming monkeys suddenly flying out of my butt), or will it be cut by some amount (i.e. they cannot really hire anyone until they know for sure), or will it be constrained to remain the same (which puts it into a legal quandary, b/c iirc there is some legal stipulation that federal staff salaries always have to increase by a certain amount each year, which was intended to help them keep pace with inflation although who are we kidding about keeping up with THAT in the modern era? but still, they HAVE to do it… except they CAN’T do it, if they are not given the funds, and to make matters worse, whatever budget eventually does get past the Congressional Obstructionist Wall will have to work retroactively back to have began on October 1… or something like that anyway).
So the CDC caved, it seems, yet managed to preserve its integrity in the process, by both keeping its standards within the realm of correct medicinal advice, while moving forward in a way as to “first do no harm” to those who would continue to be negatively impacted by it remaining under attack from Congress. Single mothers may die, yes, but that is not something that I would lay all of the blame at their feet for. With a gun to their head, and another one aimed at their crotch, they made a decision to move forward as best they could. I am not saying that blame should not be involved here, but I am saying that we should forget who did this to us all: conservatives. The CDC itself imho held up admirably, given what conditions they were operating under. If we want them to perform better in the future, perhaps we should exempt them from Congressional oversight, and allow doctors to give medical advice without having to pay overtures to powerful white geriatric men who for whatever reason continue to hold their strategy session get-togethers in Moscow even after it invaded Ukraine. i.e., look at what happened to the Post Office, and the IRS - it is remarkable to me that the CDC is one of the last bastions of government from the Golden Era of ye olden socialist (aka “sharing is caring”) United States that is actually most of the way functional. Like, if my car ran out of gas and then managed to limp along another 100 miles, I wouldn’t be blaming the car for refusing to go any further! Instead, I’d be praising how well it managed to perform in such a difficult scenario.
So the CDC caved, it seems, yet managed to preserve its integrity in the process, by both keeping its standards within the realm of correct medicinal advice
LOL, what? This is absolutely not correct medicinal advice. Doctors and scientists have been telling them that since the shortening to 5 days. You yourself say you don’t know what correct advice is earlier in this comment.
Fwiw, they mostly did
No they didn’t. 5 days of “normal activities with precautions” is not 5 days of “isolation”.
And the core problem is that 5 days was already not scientific and “fever” isn’t an indicator of infectiousness at all, it’s just a symptom that some infectious people experience for some of their infectious period.
From https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35853589/:
“We showed that among the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant infected patients, viral shedding continues for ≥10 days in 13.5% of all cases and 11% in symptom-free cases. The decision for cessation of isolation according to the presence of symptoms could be reconsidered until further studies disapprove of our results.”
Unfortunately, not everyone (single mothers?) has the luxury of taking a week off whenever they want or even NEED to.
The CDC changing he recommendation doesn’t do anything for people who might need to leave the house for supplies or to pick up a child. They already could and would do that, because a recommendation to private citizens is just a recommendation. Where it matters is that it removes liability from their employers and “lets” them work, but that’s only “helpful” because so many people are desperately poor and they haven’t mandated paid sick leave when people have infectious diseases. This is the sort of “helping workers” where the help is just because they do absolutely nothing to require humane conditions from their employers. Taking a week off to not infect your fellow workers shouldn’t be a “luxury”.
stating that people should “take precautions”, which if someone can work from home could be that, and/or wearing masks if not, etc.
Except that is not what is being reported, it not what managers will enforce, and it’s not what most people will do. It’s a poor decision because adding nuance will just make people ignore what they want to.
The pessimist looks down and hits his head. The optimist looks up and loses his footing. The realist looks forward and adjusts his path accordingly.
(1) Companies are going to do whatever they want, regardless; (2) the CDC “advice” was never anywhere close to binding; (3) they are real doctors - they know more about COVID and also other respiratory diseases than any of us here; but mostly what I wanted to say is (4) they did not make this decision entirely in isolation of all of the facts. They had a gun to their head, and it seems like they tried to do the best they were able given the circumstances.
But yes, I hear you, it is another victory for conservatives - and for some strange reason most Democrats as well - who want to pretend that the pandemic never happened. But it is not anywhere close to as bad as could have happened.
I think it’s that case that a lot of these viruses have “long” versions. We just call it things like ME/CFS.
People isolating for five days can’t work, and we value our GDP over our lives.
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Please show me where they addressed long Covid there?
Anyway, to your point, the casual public fuckhead only sees the headline and just goes out sick and unmasked.
Same as they did forever when they were sick with a cold to invite some company to their misery.
And in what way do you think that addresses the fact that long Covid is real and common?
COVID-19 remains an important public health threat, but it is no longer the emergency that it once was, and its health impacts increasingly resemble those of other respiratory viral illnesses, including influenza and RSV," the agency wrote.
Instead of treating COVID like Influenza and RSV, let’s treat Influenza and RSV like COVID. Cough more than twice in 24 hours, put on a fucking mask.
Fuck the cdc. They’ve made one bad call after another on this thing since the start. Becoming like the flu? Last time I caught this shit a few months ago I was in bed for 2 weeks before I could even function at a base level again. And that’s with being fully boosted, otherwise healthy, in shape, and using paxlovid.
Won’t you please think of the economy!
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Or, you know, it was COVID that knocked them on their ass.
I have HIV. I have taken these meds before. Had to stop because the side effects were life-stopping.
I’m not anti med, but I have personal experience in this area.
Perhaps, but last time I had covid (two years ago) without Paxlovid it was even worse. I ended up in the ER and my oxygen hung around 82-85% for days. I think I’m just one of the lucky few who won the shitty body prize when it comes to covid response.
Edit: For reference, I’m not in the at-risk age group, I bike 5-7 miles a day, practice yoga regularly, eat a vegetarian diet and get blood tested every 6 months to make sure I’m not nutritionally deficient, I stay on top of my boosters, wear masks when out in crowds…etc. I think it’s just the luck of the draw with some people when it comes to this weird virus.
After mask mandates lifted people actually seemed to be conscious around illness and stayed home or kept their kids home if they were sick. Lately it seems like sick people are everywhere especially this winter. In the past two months we had both covid and norovirus in the house.
There are a lot of never-maskers out there, but I’d say that I’ve seen at least an order of magnitude increase in general usage even years after the lock downs and mandate have been lifted.
10,000 people have died of COVID in the US in the two months of 2024 alone.
How many people have died of influenza in that time?
I looked this up because I was curious, according to the CDC 4171 people have died from influenza in 2024 so far
Yikes.
So COVID is still twice as deadly as the flu.Edit: I guess twice as deadly isn’t exactly correct. It could be equally as deadly as the flu, but twice as transmissible. That actually seems likely. Still, twice as many deaths is really bad either way.
None, remember the stats? Completely ceased to exist couple years ago.
Remember how we were meant to defeat COVID by staying home and playing video games?
I’m still doing my part
Been training for it my whole life.
Fuck the CDC and late stage capitalism. One of my best friends is in a wheelchair for the rest of her life because of Long COVID, she can’t walk a few feet without being so out of breath she passes out. My mom got Long COVID the first and now the second time she’s been infected. She still coughs every time she walked around or does any activities. She has to carry an inhaler now but she doesn’t have asthma, just Long COVID. She got COVID only a few weeks ago and it’s was most definitely NOT like the flu for her or anyone I’ve known that’s gotten it.
Sounds like our 1% overlords just want us back on the workforce as quickly as possible
I would call it ‘stupid’ but there is 100% a more malicious reason for this
Man, last time most of my relatives died of the flu 😷 that must have been pretty bad. But good thing the flu never killed my immediate relatives like my grandparents, my parents or my siblings. The others that did get killed by the flu probably had it coming. El flu es muy bueno! Y sabroso! Yeah! Baby!
But now here comes COVID 19 trying to be a copycat. Sure if you get COVID you might get long COVID and never recover and die eventually. Sure if you got autoimmune stuff going on like HIV, colitis, psoriasis, rheumatoid arthritis, MS and such with suppressants, you could actually die of COVID. But we’re here to make money not to worry about if you’re gonna die from a deadly disease or not. So fine COVID you can be flu like.
We’ll miss you guys! Specially my mom. I’m gonna miss her. And my sister with her MS. But hey, McDonald’s gotta make a buck! We can’t be holding the line mom! Sorry! We can work on a nice eulogy while you don’t have COVID yet. I’ll call you sometime! 😉
no one normalizes needless death like americans
People should also quarantine if they have the flu.
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Except the original COVID was literally killing 1% of the people that caught it. I lost many friends. Nobody I know died of the flu. Especially in the same year.
Physics Girl on YouTube (https://youtube.com/@physicsgirl?si=hsr7n5xi2VRCEZMV) contracted COVID a year ago and has been totally crippled since.
Scary shit man.
I’ve had it 3 or 4 times and it was a minor cold. My fiancé lost her sense of taste for over a year and was knocked out every other time she had it.
I don’t know. What can you do? The world goes where the world goes. Just gotta ride until we die.
Just think about what you just wrote. Really think about all aspects of it. Look a few things up too. It was never 1 percent mortality. Barely point one.
Yeah man, just make shit up…
In the USA we had:
- 111,558,488 cases
- 1,216,367 deaths
That’s a 1.09% mortality rate.
And that was before we stopped counting!
If you think only one in three had covid you’re wrong.
Yes, the actual rate of infection is probably higher than the official numbers because of underreporting, but if the goal is to compare COVID to the flu, this hardly matters, because the flu rate is even more underreported. Factor that in, and it just further reinforces the fact that COVID-19 was and is a far more serious illness than influenza, even in an especially bad flu season (peak annual death toll of 60k).
COVID has had an average annual death toll of ~300k since the pandemic began.
Yeah I’ve had it 4 or 5 times. Like I said, if everyone gets the fucking flu, well…I’m not even a statistic neither are most had it.
Is this selective perception bias? or something else?
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Nah 3 years of watching numbers and basic math skills. They didn’t care about accuracy when fear was the game
yeah, of course. you’ve done your research.
Wasn’t really hard when certain government organizations would say shit like there’s been 1.5 million cases, 55,000 deaths and .2 percent mortality in the same fucking press release. Either it was 20 million cases or the .2 was a lie. From what I’ve seen .1, .2 was accurate.
again, what your p-value? and based on how many samples? What’s your population?what’s your margin of error?
- Used their numbers, it didn’t add up.
of course their number is the data. How do you analyze the number? what’s you methodology. I need to make sense of your research.
what’s your figure, and p-value?
What’s the difference between 4.5 percent and. 2?
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That’s not what people got shouted at for. It was for conflating it with a common cold.
People got shouted at for both things.
No they literally didn’t, stop lying. This scenario has been laid out by experts a long time ago because this behavior has been seen a lot of times in previous pandemics where once very severe pathogens end up becoming much less severe but also more contagious in the process. There’s even a freaking Wikipedia article about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemic_COVID-19
this behavior has been seen a lot of times in previous pandemics where once very severe pathogens end up becoming much less severe but also more contagious in the process
I’m missing the OP’s first message as context, but just a note that diseases don’t really have any particular trend toward less severe forms. That they would naturally do that was a debunked theory from the 1800s. They can’t simply kill or disable their hosts before they get a chance to spread, but most illnesses have plenty of room to transmit before symptoms get to that level and viruses frequent evolve into more deadly forms.
What changes is the population’s resistance. Omicron wasn’t necessarily less deadly than the original variant that killed so many people, it was just better resisted.
People were shouted at for pointing that out.
People also shouted at the morons saying it was like the common cold.
Both things are true.
No. That literally did not happen. Stop spreading disinformation.
No, I remember when people who said it was the flu got told that they were idiots because influenza is, a) a totally different family of viruses than coronaviruses and b) really fucking deadly.
So yeah, if you say that, you’re as much of an idiot as someone who says that people shouldn’t be worried about all those wolf attacks when there are leopards on the loose.
I remember conservatives complaining about their oppression happening, but I’ve never heard of it happening in real life.
You got shouted down for saying that covid WAS already like the flu. Stop arguing in bad faith and spread disinformation.
No, but I do remember almost everyone agreeing with that. The part they disagreed with was how long “eventually” would be.
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Facts do not matter to many (most?) people, it seems, more’s the pity:-(.
Fucking hell. I can’t believe that it is 2024 and I still have to tag people as Covidiots. Edit: From a Star Trek instance no less. Make it make sense. I thought Trekkies were all science nerds.
There are a lot of Star Trek fans that liked it “before it became all woke”, and “wokeness” is a much more integral feature of Star Trek than science.
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Different type of “woke”. Kirk wasn’t a whining moron and they still had money, not weird non specific on details space communism.
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