“Buenas noches, mein Führer!”
ya, ya
That movie might be the only case of an adaptation purposefully doing a severe putdown of the source material.
Like the guy on the pic being Filipino, for example.
I still wouldn’t say it’s fascist, rather paleo-Republican. Too nostalgic about Athens or the Roman republic.
I know I lived under a rock and all, but what is the movie’s name?
Starship Troopers. It’s great.
It’s campy trash that’s fun and has some interesting meta background.
Oh man. I’d love to watch it for the first time. Enjoy u/aeki@slrpnk.net
putdown of the source material.
Did we read a different book or did the adaptation also eat the onion like all the fascists referencing the film?
Starship Troopers won the Hugo Award
wait…
Definitely not. Verhoeven (the director) is a WW 2 survivor (he was living in the occupied Netherlands as a child) and he very obviously satirizes the fascism of the book. See also: RoboCop.
So does the book.
I don’t disagree, but it’s a lot more subtle in the book. Basically, the book just presents the society as it is and lets you draw your own conclusions, while the movie lays on the satire pretty thick.
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Hey man, you got any more of them pixels?
Sorry, that’s all I could afford at the meme market.
This movie could easily be seen as a world where Germany won WW2, so I think they had to include that part about Japan being bombed to prevent that.
It’s an egalitarian military oligarchy. They know no race or gender, as long as you’re doing your part you can be a citizen too.
I don’t think that fits very well with what Hitler had planned…
it is an in-universe propaganda film in a fascist regime. it is not the nazi fascism, but it is still facism
It not being Nazi fascism while still being fascism was sorta their whole point
It’s just war propaganda every non fascist country has also done that.
Of course it is, I didn’t say otherwise no? Just that it isn’t a race based regime. Any human can be a full member of the apparatus. No herrenrasse here
They had to throw in some POC as well.
Misunderstanding the movie for 500, Alex
How so? Understanding the societal structure of the federation doesn’t mean I’m not aware it is intended as a parody.
I don’t think that fits very well with what Hitler had planned…
You don’t have to know race once gwhite is the only race around…
? The federation is explicitly above that. Women and non-white men are shown as equals and in positions of power throughout the series.
Riiiight… white boys are just so thoroughly over-represented due to sheer coincidence, is that it?
It’s pure white liberalism on a stick - throw in some tokens and suddenly everything is (supposedly) “non-racial.”
Im not sure what your problem is. It is established as such in the lore of the universe. The UCF may be a totalitarian militaristic war machine, but everyone who does a tour of duty gets to be a citizen, regardless of their race or sex. There is even the (in)famous shower scene of the first movie, showing them all showering together. Men, women, white, black, all grunts for the meat grinder. The later installments have a black general, an Indian sky marshal, and a woman as sky marshal (the highest rank in the system, the supreme commander of the forces).
Why are you hellbent on trying to make it an ethnostate? The xenophobia is wholly externalized towards a mandatory hatred of the bugs.
Im not sure what your problem is.
Oh, I can see that… you seem completely oblivious as to how how your fantasy world mirrors the real one it was based on - and the implications of the political subtexts that seem to fly straight over your head.
gets to be a citizen, regardless of their race or sex
Isn’t that the same fairy tales they used to tell us about the US?
The later installments have a black general
So I guess the US ending up with Obama in the Waffle House meant the US magically stopped being a fundamentally white supremacist state, huh? Which must mean that your fantasy UCF must also be utterly “non-racial?”
Why are you hellbent on trying to make it an ethnostate?
Since when does white supremacism require an ethnostate? Did you forget how fond white supremacism is of keeping the “other” around to do all the heavy lifting, perhaps?
Every good fiction is anchored in reality, why does that require that every facet of the United States must be mirrored in the movies? People aren’t going around ranting about the empire in Star Wars being acshully nazi germany in space, they can accept it as an intriguing mix of reality and fantasy.
Aside from that, it’s literally canon that the federation system only cares about who served and who didn’t. If you want to read this as the American myth, alright, and I’m not denying that it might be a hollow lie to keep the war machine running. You know, because the whole series is about a brutish xenophobe system of imperialism and utter disregard for life.
You’re also glossing over the other two prominent examples of women and people of color being in the highest echelons of power within the federation, because that doesn’t fit your narrative very well. When does “white supremacy” become just supremacy?
Anyway I’m heading out, you have to be the most condescending dick I had the displeasure of interacting with on here.
Lemmy as fuck
If Germany won world war 2 in that movie, why were all the characters clearly descended from Germans hiding in South America after ww2?
I assumed they conquered the world.
What a totally random memeable thing. Good thing there’s absolutely no Nazi allegories in Starship Troopers whatsoever and this wasn’t 100% intentional.
Well, Heinlein was a liberal, if of a militarist and nuke happy bent in the years following his naval career where he helped fight Nazis, and Verhoeven didn’t bother reading the book in his years as a scared Dutch child whose country was liberated, by Americans, from Nazis.
In the book “Johny Rico” is actually named Juan Rico, and his native tongue is Tagalong.
He’s a Filipino.
Heinlein often did this, he’d give the MC a lot of relatable but non-identifiable characteristics for his primary audience (white men) to latch on to, then reveal details like that at the end.
It’s almost like Verhoeven’s hack ass should have bothered reading a 200 page novel he was paid to make a movie out of.
Eh, to me Starship Troopers has a similar relationship to the book it was based on to Dr. Strangelove. It’s an adaptation that kind of pokes at the ideas therein by adding a large dose of ridiculousness.
Which would be fine, if he’d read the fuckin book!
And if he’d made his satire understandable to the people who needed to see it.
No one sees Dr Strangelove and says “Wow, nukes are cool and we should let the government make more of them,” but there are countless chuds who thought Starship Troopers was a great bug zapping movie, no notes.
The movie was based on “Bug Assault on Outpost 9” so…
