• njm1314@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    If it’s been thrown at them for 50 years, which I don’t necessarily concede, it’s because they never do anything about it. Leftists don’t organize. Leftists don’t prop up candidates at local and small levels. Leftist don’t campaign. What leftists do is complain. What leftists do is cut each other down. What leftists do is turn up their noses at 80% of success because it’s not the other 20. Meanwhile conservative will happily chip away 20% at a time for 30 straight years till they get what they want.

    Being a left is an America is one of the most frustrating things you can be, because we kill ourselves.

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      Leftists do organize, liberals are just the most entrenched party.

      Biden is not 80% success, if he was then there would be genuine Socialism in the United States.

      Being a leftist is frustrating because liberals never concede anything yet feel entitled to votes because they aren’t as evil as the other guy.

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        How did how do they get entrenched? Is it just magic? Or maybe, they’re that much better at organizing which leads to entrenchment.

        Why on Earth with 80% success from a liberal be socialism that makes no sense.

        You people have no idea how far the Democratic party has moved in the last 20 years alone. You people have no concept of what it was like in the 90s. On so many issues today the Democratic party without question supports things that the Democratic party back then was way too conservative to do. It’s about incremental change. Short of violent revolution, which I am not ruling out, that’s the only way to get change. Only.

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          Because liberalism is beneficial to Capitalists, money flows towards them. Leftists have been forced to organize at grassroots levels against the powers of Capital, while liberals have had the pleasure of being bought and paid for by Capitalists.

          80% success for a leftist would be Socialism. Of course Biden is a liberal, I don’t give a shit if he’s successful as a liberal, I care about genuine improvements in material conditions for the Proletariat. Biden hasn’t been 100% bad, but he’s been far from leftist.

          Grassroots movement is how you get change. In the last 20 years, liberals are no closer to emancipation of the Proletariat.

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      Leftists do organize, do promote candidates, do campaign. The problem is that the DNC is actively hostile to true progressive movements and undercut them at every moment.

      Leftists have to look outside of the democratic process because the space alloted to them within it is purposefully ineffectual, and we often have to push the Democrats around because they’re constantly holding back reform.

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        Then who? This is always what happens I always get told that it’s just too hard. They can’t win. Just give up. Let the fascists win. It’s all I ever hear on this damn site. You know what I don’t ever hear? The Who. Where is this leftist candidate that was built up and put in position to win this race? I don’t see him.

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          It isn’t just alternative candidates, but I should point out that there are other candidates running that absolutely deserve consideration (Cornell West strikes me as a particularly good option for leftist policies).

          If democrats want to win with leftist support, they’re going to need to try and make concessions to the caucus. A part of direct action is withholding support in order to win ground, and the democrats are absolutely not entitled to anyone’s vote. If they really believe they need to defeat fascism, then maybe they should start listening to the people telling them why they’re loosing votes.

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      10 months ago

      Dems: “LeFtIsTs DoNt OrGaNiZe BeHiNd A cAnDiDaTe”

      Leftists: organize behind a candidate

      Dems: “Yea but no” goes to court to tell leftists they do what they want fuck you