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I would be proud of the honor of being banned from Israel.
A badge of honor.
To be held in esteem by Israel - at any point in its history - is a deep stain on any reputation to put it mildly. Anyone with humanity is an enemy to fascists and ethnostates.
Hey mate, too much hyperbole rots your brain.
Please be better informed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_Among_the_Nations?wprov=sfla1
And there it is - the holocaust, an all-purpose shield and sword.
I stand by my statement and I doubt anyone honored via that program would endorse Israel today.
Look mate I agree that Israel is probably committing genocide against the Palestinians. But that doesn’t mean that everyone that Israel has ever liked is tainted, that’s idiotic.
The Nazis tainted everything they touched, I don’t see why this should be any different. And yes, the comparison is apt.
Very few things in life are black and white - this is.
You either support genocide or you don’t. You either support an increasingly fascistic apartheid ethnostate or you don’t. Lines are notoriously difficult to draw but they’re extremely clear cut here.
Israel and the Zionist project gains legitimacy by proximity to genuinely honorable people like the ones you brought up - it’s rhetorical propaganda.
I appreciate I’m taking a strong stance in my wording here but for gods sake, man - look at the whole thing. A dying empire is dusting off old world colonialism, complete with unabashed ethnic cleansing and the entire Western world is to-the-hilt complicit. History and systemic decline is being written. I don’t consider my language an overreaction - at all.
I don’t think Jesse Owens was tainted just because Hitler congratulated him.
I don’t think people that resisted the Nazis are tainted just because Israel thanks them.
That’s why I disagreed with your initial comment.
Just as we shouldn’t consider Jesse Owens to be tainted by Hitler’s endorsement, we shouldn’t consider anti-Nazi movements to be tainted by Israel’s endorsement.
That’s all we seem to disagree on.
Yes, we should be skeptical of Israel positioning WW2 heroes as champions of Israel’s interpretation of Zionism.
Also for clarification: I’m opposed to Israel’s apparent genocide of the Palestinians. I think Israel’s crimes are more similar to the Americo-Canadian genocide of North America’s first nations than with the Nazi genocide of European Jews and other marginalized minorities. Ie Israel isn’t doing “murder factory” genocide, it’s doing “encroachment and suppression” genocide (and starvation, and persecution). Also similar to what Russia is doing to Ukraine.
Now, here’s the kicker: the brazilian rightwing, which contains actual (veiled) nazis and other jew-hating groups, are siding with Israel on this matter. The jokes write themselves.
Most right-wing groups hate Muslims more than Jews.
It’s really weird to see how almost infantalizing the Israeli minister is towards the ambassador. Like he’s correcting a child or something. I suppose when you’re commiting genocide you carry that attitude with you everywhere.
Only once they kill 6 million palestinians you can compare those two.
So it’s a numbers thing, then? Until they get to that six million, all those dead kids don’t matter? What if they stop at 5.9 million, are the Israelis still murderers? Help me figure this out, I’ve always been curious how the minds of sociopaths work.
I don’t support flagrantly massacring civilians, but since you stooped to his level by indulging in his numbers game, I grew curious how the numbers actually compare and would like to share, just as an objective reference for perspective.
Stick around/read bottom part for the big caveat on these numbers though, if it isn’t already obvious.
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum estimates 6 million of 9.5 million European Jews died in the Holocaust. Mass murder by poison gas appears to have commenced on/around Dec 08 '41 first at Chelmno and presumably ceased around the time Germany surrendered on May 07 '45. 1246 days of killing. 6,000,000/1246 = ~4,815 Jews killed per day on average.
I don’t recall the exact date Israel began retaliations, I believe it was around 3 weeks after, but I’m going to start the time window for Israel’s slaughter on Oct 7 '23 to keep things simple, mind the inaccuracy that comes with this. As of time of writing, on Feb 19 '24 (135 days since window start), Gaza Health Ministry has stated that at least 29,000 Palestinians have been killed since the start of the war. 29,000/135 = ~215.
So when comparing the numbers killed per day, we’re still at not even 1/20th the scale of the Holocaust. Regardless, we should hope to never even be near 1/100th the scale, but this is reality and these are the numbers.
Next I want to look at population. Mosaica counts ~5 million Palestinians combined in Gaza and West Bank. This means that, so far, roughly 0.6% of the Palestinian population has been slaughtered compared to the estimated 2 out of 3 European Jews slaughtered in the Holocaust…
NOW for the caveat: we are only 135 days in. They didn’t even have Auschwitz operational 135 days into Hitler’s reign. I’m not a historian. I can’t tell you how many Jews died 135 days into the Holocaust, and I can’t even give you a ballpark range. So if you really want a numbers to numbers comparison, I guess you’ll have to wait until after history repeats itself to crunch the numbers.
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Looking at their post history. I’m inclined to agree. However, there are plenty who say it un-sarcastically .
You’re missing my point that there are no 6 million Palestinians, only about 2.5 million in Gaza and 3 million in the West Bank, so you will never be able to compare it to tho Holocaust, even if they kill every single one of them, that was my point. The 6 million is the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust.
The living victims of the holocaust dont agree with you.
That’s okay, Isreal will just call them self hating jews like anyone else Jewish who doesn’t fall behind the Isreali line
Who cares? Israel has about as much standing to speak for jews as my local pastor has for speaking as the pope.
I didn’t see any evidence of that Israel cares about what the living victims of the holocaust think.
/s?
Yes, I thought it was obvious, but looking at the downvotes it seems not really.
Zionists also say this fascist shit unironically without a hint of self-awareness. So a /s is needed yes.
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