Hey all,

I want to get your opinion on allowing mixed AI + manually manipulated art.

Traditionally in the art world, there are examples of art that include the modification of others’ artwork, mixed media inlcuding other art or media, etc. Initially I allowed some of the mixed AI + manually manipulated artwork because I felt that it fell into this type of category. However, we’ve received several reports on these due to the community rule stating that AI art is not allowed. Sometimes the lines of what can be considered original work and what is “copied” can be quite blurry.

I wanted to see how you all felt about including this type of art. This is a space for you, so I would rather leave the final decision up to those who take part in this community.

Let me know in the comments, and I’ll adjust the community rules accordingly.

Edit: OK, seems like the people have spoken. I’ll adjust the wording in the rules so that it is clear. I’ll leave up the posts that I allowed before, but moving forward we won’t be allowing any more AI content, even if it is manually manipulated.

  • Zonetrooper@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    “Mixed” art feels like you’re going to be perpetually having to police how much any given submission has been modified before it becomes acceptable.

    Just cut it off, period.

  • B0NK3RS@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I’d rather any AI art not be allowed plus there are specific communities for that.

  • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
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    9 months ago

    Please keep posts to non-AI generated art only.

    I like the rule and I feel the wording is pretty unambiguous - mixed AI art is still AI art. I think it should be disallowed. I feel this community should be for humans sharing their art with other humans to express themselves.

    I think the bigger “problem” going forward will be telling the difference, as the AI models get better and better.

  • spujb@lemmy.cafe
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    9 months ago

    while i have my own opinions on the ethics of AI art, there are other and thriving sublemmies dedicated to that. let’s keep it non-AI here please.

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    9 months ago

    Upvoted for the question itself, but I strongly think we shouldn’t allow AI generated content here.

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    9 months ago

    I agree with one of the other commenters. There’s communities here that allow and are for AI art. I think it’s fine to now allow it here.

  • sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    What this community seems to be, to me, is a place for people to share the art they’ve personally created with a wholly positive response. It’s for people learning, those less serious, and the dedicated to come together and show off what they’ve done. The AI part was not done by you, nor do you have permission to use that art.

    Two questions come to mind. Firstly, would I be able to take the art posted here, alter it, post it back and never credit the original artist stating it as entirely my creation? Secondly, if we see the AI part as the posters creation, why ban AI art at all? Lastly, how much AI is allowed?

    I don’t think we should allow this. I would like a community that allows people to show off their personal skills, no matter what level. Allowing partial AI art does not fit into that place. Look at a recent post where, though the self made art is simply fantastic with a great style, the entire background was an AI generated city.

    Full disclosure, I contribute (via code) to a small AI art application that only takes art we have permission for.

    If I take some random piece of art online and past it into Photoshop before altering it that art isn’t my art. Sure, it may take alot of skill and effort to create the changes but in the end It’s still plagiarism. Look at the controversy around a magic the gathering artist tracing another, smaller artists work. They were fired, and the act is seen as plagiarism. How does doing the same with AI change the act? On the topic of other art taking pieces and integrating it into their work, they use fair use doctrine. It’s made as a parody of the art, and the original art is obviously credited in some way. In ai, you credit nobody for their work. It’s not taking the design of a can of campbells soup like Warhol, where you can tell where he got the original, it’s tracing the art from hasbeen hotel and pretending it’s your own.

    Look, if you have permission from every person involved in the model to use their art in said model, I have no issue with it but that’s not currently the case.

    I could go into why, but this is already going to be fairly very large, but by necessity all output from a model must come from the original training data

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    9 months ago

    Rules

    While we appreciate AI generated art,

    No we don’t.

    Images created by AI are not art, they are AI generated images. There are places where they serve a function, but they are not an expression of art.

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      9 months ago

      People said Photoshop wasn’t art, or video games, or rap music, they’re all wrong IMO. And I also think AI art is art. Not that you have to change your mind, just sharing that I disagree.

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        9 months ago

        A better example against my argument would be music made with modular synths, as the process of images generated by a prompt can be similar to starting a synth by oscillator, setting the dials, then walking away.

        The three examples you gave aren’t analogous to image generation.

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    9 months ago

    I’m inclined to say no to AI art, although i’d call it a grey territory to use AI for the first pass and then paint on top of that. However, I’ll just say no to all AI for now.

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    9 months ago

    I would say, if its AI/AI changed art, should declared AI created ( and if possible cite original art/images creator/post )

  • RachelRodent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    9 months ago

    while I am pretty pro AI image generation (and anti intellectual property) this community is for “real” art