This is not me saying at all that Trump is better than Biden; it’s more of an equalization argument that I truthfully can’t see a fiscal difference.

It’s been well known by people like us that the two bourgeois parties are basically the same, but I never really understood how close they were until the last like, 6 months.

Maybe it’s JUST Biden that’s super similar. But regardless, I just don’t see the difference. He spews nice words about trans rights, workers, all of these good things. But the exact same shit that happened under Trump basically happened under Biden. Funding for genocidal states, proxy war funding, funding police, loss of abortion federal protection, separation of kids and parents at the border, etc.

People keep saying Biden is marginally better, where?

I don’t know. I can’t bring myself to vote for any of these guys this time around.

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    I’m not USAyan, but Trump withdrawn troops and said he’d get USA out of NATO. If he delivered, he’d be the most significant political figure for a fight against neocolonialism. I don’t exactly know the life within US for US people, but Trump is a significantly good choice for world politics from my perspective. Biden increased poverty death rate in Europe by approving destroying the gas line (I assume he partook based on his public statements) and general poverty suffering. He continues supporting the apartheid and genocide of Palestinians. I find people who wish to vote for him extremely evil, but if your life under Trump was indeed this bad then I can somewhat understand why you don’t care about the blight your politicians bring to the rest of the world.

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      IF he delivered on getting the USA out of NATO

      IF he didn’t bomb Syria and get the approval of the Democrats. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-announces-strikes-syria-following-suspected-chemical-weapons-attack-assad-n865966

      IF he didn’t “solve” the conflict in occupied Palatine by not inviting Palestinian representatives. https://www.startpage.com/sp/search?query=trump+israel+deal&cat=web&pl=opensearch

      Trump also brought sanctions back to Cuba and Iran after Obama removed them.

      Both Democrats and Republicans are terrible. If one votes it is for the lesser evil. There is no choice that doesn’t kill innocent civilians around the world. There is no choice to end the various sanctions. Any good done by one president can be undone by another.

      Voting is not a method towards justice, only a compromise.

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        Thank you for the information. I am reverting to my natural stance:

        death to the US of AmeriKKKa*

        • US =/= America, Latin Americans and natives are mighty fine, may they get free of the oppressor
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        But again, at this point I find it impossible to judge who is the lesser evil. I think it’s a distinction without a difference. If I go by body count, Trump is the lesser of two evils because Biden has murdered so many people over his career.

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          I mean, we shouldn’t forget how botched the response to COVID was in the USA. Not sure if it would’ve been handled any different had it been Clinton, I could try to force an argument that people cared more about COVID prevention when opposing Trump than under Biden, but keeping hypotheticals aside the numbers are grim for Trump’s presidency too.

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            Biden has also botched the pandemic by pretending it’s over. So many people are getting sick and having their quality of life wrecked by this policy. At least under Trump normal people were masking up and taking precautions.

            Trump did horribly at the pandemic, but I think Biden did worse.

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      Trumps “anti-war” position was all a facade. He wanted to lower tensions with Russia as a fellow “white” socially reactionary state and instead focus on Venezuela, Iran and China. Plus he was just a wild card opportunist. One day he was pretending to be besties with the DPRK, the next people are worried he’ll start a nuclear war with them. Even with Russia he flip-flopped. At one point he talked about wanting to get “the ruskies” out of Venezuela.

      The difference in foreign policy is chaotic evil vs “lawful” evil. Trump does whatever the hell and has different priorities. Biden tries to appear respectable as he escalates with everyone.

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      If Trump actually tries to follow through with pulling the US out of NATO, he’ll get merked by the deep state in no time.

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      if by world you mean europe, trump has his sights on latin america, biden not so much.

      it is interesting that even inside the brics, the members are divergent, lula is supporting biden and putin is supporting russia. as a latam boy, I’m biden all the way, not because i believe biden to be a good progressive or smth, more like to keep us out of latam for now

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        I dont think Palestine is in Europe, correct me if I’m wrong. I wasn’t aware Trump wanted to mess with latam. Can yanks just fucking wall themselves in and stop bothering anyone ffs.

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          Trump would’ve supported the escalation in the genocide had Al-aqsa happened then. He’s a raging Zionist, don’t illusion yourself.