The people are too broken and brainwashed to revolt. Sheep, all of them. Humanity is doomed.
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- translated from a Mayan tablet ca. 802 CE
In the imperial core, maybe. The onanistic FIRE economy is not fertile ground for a socialist revolution along any template we have seen before (masses composed of agricultural peasants or industrialized factory workers). People, even frothing fash who have fox news pumped directly into their eyeballs for a staggering number of hours per day, are not willing to cast aside their comfort and die (or even go to prison) for a cause. It is what it is.
One interesting historical point. Tsar Alexander II was assassinated in 1881. The Russian revolution didn’t happen until 1917, thirty-six years later. The leadup to these things is long. And things in the US are very far away from the equivalent of the Tsar being assassinated.
However, we have the time constraint of climate change. The material reality will either act as a forcing function for revolution or it will not. Impossible to predict.
True. I just wish I didn’t feel so powerless sometimes. I have to work on myself, I know. Get stronger, do what I can to help orgs. It’s just hard sometimes.
One thing that helps is understanding that nearly by definition you cannot be a main character in a socialist revolution. It ain’t all waiting on you. This isn’t to say your contributions are unimportant, because without lots of people just like you doing the thing out of some faith it makes a difference nothing good will happen. But the world is not on your shoulders.
That does help!
hope isnt deadI hope you’re right
Hehehe, man, the Irish are cool
I hope the Turnip Tradition proliferates online
the anguished yet playful expression of the turnip is nice
Turnip with teeth <3
It’s not just a matter of hope or not, we will try change only when it is too late and you’ll get people trying to scam themselves(self-delusional grifters trying to “succeed” under capitalism) and society.
What I mean is 25 years from now you’ll get some very normal and cool WSJ article about “top 10 booming new ideas for the prospering new real estate market” and it will be about valuation of lands/cities with more natural resources and cooler climate. Heck you can even predict literal articles about how the rising sea will change the beach front property market.
The other point is there is hope for avoiding complete and utter extinction and destruction and then hope of avoiding billions of deaths. Even if somehow we can stop the planet from crossing 2.5C we will still get migrations, wars and economic collapse. There is no hope in avoiding that.
Its the sad realization that despite the struggle sessions here about killing white people or whatever(I don’t bother with those threads) the reality is the well fare of people in the west is bound to the fate of the revolution elsewhere in the world, i.e without a significant shock and destruction of the current capitalist system the global revolution is impossible and you know that means yes sadly people in general, workers in the imperial core will suffer for it.
That suffering should be used for socialist radicalization, but again sadly, this suffering is instead being used to radicalized further towards fascism.
Finaly maybe I’m incredibly naive, but I never thought I’d see real, actualy existing Nazis straight from WW2 actualy being cheered by liberals. Yes maybe I’m that naive that I thought Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers etc meant that open Nazism was truly already a tabboo issue. That Polish guy incident was a bigger mask off moment than most things in the Ukraine war. It is funny given the “are we the baddies” meme, the Hitler bunker memes(still a great format if used well IMO) was such a hit and so long ago now too lol.
The Ukraine war itself I can kind of understand if someone has a bad take rooted in ignorance, I didn’t know or particularly care about things going on in Eastern EU before either, but to see the articles about the nazis were all there gives me the same dreaded feeling over the articles about climate change today becoming our testemony to how much we fail, how much we suck and how much we don’t care enough.
I dread thinking 20 years from now and telling young people “hey look at this article and this documentary! See we knew and we were both cowardly and powerless to do anything about it”.
Eh, life goes on, immerseration will continue, and people will continue to resist. Only in retrospect will one be able to say if it really was doomed. Meanwhile, people must live believing the actions they take can be meaningful.
agreed
Nah, things just have to get much worse before the core will revolt. Also, people without coherent ideology will only join something that looks like it’s winning. As China pulls ahead of the US, expect Socialist thought to suddenly become more attractive, as will the “China isn’t actually Socialist but also Socialism is bad and Chinese” rhetoric
either you’re right and it doesn’t matter, or you’re wrong and actively discouraging comrades. why risk that?
We are on the doomer comm people vent
who is we
Maybe, probably even. Doesn’t really matter. We still have a lot to do in the time we have.
i told you the bean burger was gonna suck
“Smoke 'em if you got 'em; shoot 'em when the cops come.” – That Handsome Devil
