• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    all the purity tests

    You mean basic human decency?

    Like, can you give one example of what you’re complaining about as an unrealistic standard?

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      I am pro basic human decency, I just wish more online leftists realize you get things done with a big tent. Perfect is the enemy of good.

      Fred Hampton wasn’t killed by the FBI because he had the most stringent purity tests, he was killed cause he was able to convince a lot of people to come under his tent to fight for workers.

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          I agree with that, but it pisses me off because the loud obnoxious folks repel new people.

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          Personally, I’ve had comments I’ve posted on lemmy.ml deleted for “bigotry” for saying Iran supports Hamas which is an objective fact. It wasn’t even a commentary on policy but I’m still a bigot somehow.

          I mean, shit, you even implied I am an enemy of basic human decency for making a mild criticism in a meme sub.

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              Yeah I’ve started unfollowing .ml communities because I’ve found it’s just not worth contributing. I have an alt on dbzero’s instance that I’ve found much better.

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            Personally, I’ve had comments I’ve posted on lemmy.ml deleted for “bigotry"

            I checked the modlog because it takes two seconds, and your account name doesn’t seem to be in there?

            I expected to see you misrepresenting what you said, but it looks like it was just all made up?

            Unless that instance is set up differently, maybe if you gave me the sub I can find it?

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              Hamas is a problem too and funded through Iran so I think they’d still be an issue even without the settler bs

              This is the comment I was referencing. There’s some other comments that have been deleted on .ml which I find fair cause a couple were needlessly agressive when I was having a bad day. I see 9 mod/admin actions against my account on .ml. Can’t speak to why you can’t find it, they’re on there.

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                11 months ago

                You keep replying but you never give real answers to questions…

                I just don’t give enough of a shit about this to keep going or to get roped into this again with you later.

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          I’ve seen older people be cancelled or called fascists over the use of outdated words like ‘transgendered’, without even an explanation. Obviously, that word is now deprecated and considered a pejorative, but it used to be commonly accepted word and was even used within the community.

          I’ve had people call me sexist, because I was critical of Mattel’s motives when making the Barbie movie. Mattel is a company run by a man, with an abysmal record on how they treat their (female) employees, and Barbie negatively damages girls’ body image.

          I’ve also had people reply to comments in which I paraphrased or literally quoted feminist thinkers like Dworkin, of mansplaining or not being able to understand sexism because I lacked ‘lived experience’. It’s not a coincidence that plenty of left-wing feminists, were easy prey for right wing ideology and are now virulent transphobes. Eg. JK Rowling.

          Being balanced or even slightly nuanced on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, is also likely to result in you getting piled on in some terminally online left wing spaces, where people have gone to the other extreme and now seemingly implicitly or explictly support Hamas/Iran. Same thing for Russia/Ukraine.

          You also just accused someone of lacking basic human decency, for criticizing what they perceived as the excesses of online leftists.

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            You also just accused someone of lacking basic human decency, for criticizing what they perceived as the excesses of online leftists.

            This was my first thought when reading that comment… smh

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            The point about the Mattel CEO was literally a joke in the movie. The director clearly agreed with you.

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            You say you’ve had people do these things, but I suspect you’ve had either bots or foreign agents do these things.

            And a few suggestible people who actually do take on those behaviors.

            Gotta remember there are people heavily invested in the US going down. The US hasn’t had a ground invasion, but we’ve definitely had a social media invasion.

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          Gun ownership. Leftist groups NEED gun owners, but will turn their nose up at them and call them Nazi’s.

          The most amazing thing gun culture in the US did was get liberals to disarms themselves willingly by falsely associating gun ownership with toxic masculinity and conservative values.

          Read Marx. Acquire guns.

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            Gun ownership. Leftist groups NEED gun owners, but will turn their nose up at them and call them Nazi’s.

            Not if they are far enough left (as you allude to) or otherwise practically minded, I’ve found. We are few but we are out there. Self defense is an intrinsic right of living beings, period, the end.

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        I think you just hit the nail right on the head there. One of the drawbacks to success is danger. If a person wants to be safe, it’s better to choose ineffective strategies that keep them in the same place.

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      I can understand what they’re saying. You expect hateful shit from the right-wing assholes, and fighting against their bullshit is a worthy cause.

      But the left is prickly, including to its allies. Hell, especially to its allies. And it is so much more exhausting when it is coming from your own side.

      As an example, when Lil Nas X was accused of faking being gay for, I guess money, or pushing some agenda, he said “I just like dick” and that there’s nothing deep to it. People started attacking him for “trans erasure” and such nonsense. The man didn’t say he likes all dick, and I’m sure if it were attached to a woman, he wouldn’t be about it (and if there was a man without one, he presumably also would not be interested). It was a toss away comment that is easily understood in the context, and people felt the need to attack him for it. It should not bear this level of analysis and scrutiny, but here we are.

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        It’s also a million times worse online, which was the OPs point. I’m a pinko commie by American standards, and I’ve been called a secret conservative online or downvoted to oblivion for daring to suggest that landlords should exist. The downvotes above just show how prickly and “no true leftist” some people are.

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          Why exactly do you think landlord should exist?

          As an actual communist, I think that’s a weird stance.

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            I’m not him, but the justification I’ve seen in the past is that some people move to different locations every few months to pursue work or they’re in an area temporarily for studies and don’t want to be permanently tied down. It was something along those lines. Even if that does justify the existence of *some* landlords, it doesn’t justify such a huge supermajority of housing being owned by them.

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        This happens, there is a lot of liberal left that believes that representation and words can shape the reality. But there is a lot of bad will from OP to generalize it

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        Nah man. Left isn’t just prickly. 100% of the comments I’ve ever seen calling for death and mistreatment of people have been from the left.

        Maybe it’s going on in some right wing cesspit somewhere, but not here in public.

        I just started saving them recently, so my collection is small but here’s one: https://lemmy.ca/comment/6580270

        I see a few a day, and I intend to keep saving them. As time goes on, I’ll have a longer and longer list.

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          That comment was not directed at a person. It was directed at a billionaire. Those creatures are superhuman, and it is our moral duty to purge them.

    • 🐑🇸 🇭 🇪 🇪 🇵 🇱 🇪🐑@lemmy.world
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      The purity tests usually come from leftist adjacent groups that actually have nothing to do with left wing ideology. Read Tankies and some extremely small groups of vegans (Most are fine). They for some reason love telling you “Lefties who aren’t [INSERT THING HERE] are hypocritical and not real leftists”

      Really it’s a huge nothing burger complaining about silly people on twitter and Reddit who ultimately do not matter.

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          Being loud and given attention, they can be the only example of “leftists” some people knowingly interact with.

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        They do matter. If they didn’t countries like Russia wouldn’t spend so much targetting them with propaganda and pushing them not to vote or vote against admittedly flawed left of centre parties.