I don’t know where to even start. Maybe realise that the sea is literally called “middle of the earth”? That water is a highway, not a barrier? Do I have to bring music into this?
Then: Settler colonialist, yes, completely fair. Ethnostate, at least under right-wing governments, also yes. But “white supremacist”? Would a white supremacist state go to lengths to get black Jews into the country?
Look I’m all for bringing people together and if you ask me, there should be no borders and nations should just exist for administrative purposes. But that doesn’t mean that e.g. an Arab in Egypt would self-identify as European.
Regarding racism: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fiOJ6lrX0zY this was more than 10 years ago, it got only worse till then. Ethiopian Jews are at the bottom of society, many of them live in the slums of Tel Aviv. They serve a purpose, that is making sure Palestinians don’t outnumber Israeli Jews. Also doing shitty jobs that no one else wants to do & that pay barely enough to survive.
Israel is made by and for Ashkenazi Jews. Just look e.g. at the list of prime ministers to confirm that. I get your point though, we may call it as well Ashkenazi supremacist for that matter. But even if Palestinians were gone, black Jews would be next in line.
But that doesn’t mean that e.g. an Arab in Egypt would self-identify as European.
And noone ever claimed so. But if you think that Egyptians would be somehow be ashamed of their Macedonian Pharaos or think that Cleopatra was black you’d also be sorely mistaken. There is a shared cultural heritage in the Mediterranean that’s in many older and deeper than that between say Italy and Germany, divided by pretty much unpassable alps.
Note, for the record, it says “African non-Jews”, not “black people”. The primary distinction for Israeli rightoids is always Jew vs. non-Jew, not colour of skin or something, that’s incidental. If there were a sizeable number of, say, Russian non-Jews in Israel they’d want them gone just as much.
Ethiopian Jews are at the bottom of society, many of them live in the slums of Tel Aviv. Also doing shitty jobs that no one else wants to do & that pay barely enough to survive.
They are the worst-educated group of all. Ashkenazi are the best-educated. Doesn’t mean that Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against when it comes to access to education or such, the disparity is due to their different countries of origin having vastly differing educational levels.
When it comes to “pays barely enough to survive”, well, blame Likud and their pudding prices. Right-wing governments were never good at lowering effects of socio-economic background.
Israel is made by and for Ashkenazi Jews.
Mediterranean and Middle-East Jews nearly outnumber Jews of European origin in Israel, and Ashkenazi are only a subsection of European Jews. The current alpha asshat (Ben Gvir) has roots in Iraq. If you look at polls then Ashkenazi are significantly more liberal on average than other groups, which shouldn’t be surprising given that the exodus from the Muslim world wasn’t exactly a voluntary affair, is the most recent, and the conflict is still ongoing. Jigal Amir has Lebanese roots. Easy for people like them to have a personal axe to grind while Ashkenazi can see how much Europe changed. There’s also a strong Socdem current among Ashkenazi, inherited from Europe and our labour struggles here which just didn’t happen like that in the Arab states, Jews were a strong component of it (which is also why the Nazis came up with the term “Judeo-Bolshevism”, denigrating Socialists as Jews and Jews as Socialists in the same term). Random example: Rosa Luxemburg was a Jew (at least by ancestry and external perception).
OTOH yes fucks like the Stern Gang definitely were also Europeans, arriving at the same time as the Labour Zionists. What I’m saying is that the population has shifted quite a bit since then, overall diminishing direct European influence.
I know I know the usual “anti-colonial” narrative of “Europeans are responsible for everything bad in the world” is an easy “historical” extension of the usual “the CIA is responsible for everything bad in the world” narrative but, face it, we don’t have a monopoly on being assholes. That would be a rather racist claim I’d say. Other people are just as capable of that.
I don’t know where to even start. Maybe realise that the sea is literally called “middle of the earth”? That water is a highway, not a barrier? Do I have to bring music into this?
Then: Settler colonialist, yes, completely fair. Ethnostate, at least under right-wing governments, also yes. But “white supremacist”? Would a white supremacist state go to lengths to get black Jews into the country?
Look I’m all for bringing people together and if you ask me, there should be no borders and nations should just exist for administrative purposes. But that doesn’t mean that e.g. an Arab in Egypt would self-identify as European.
Regarding racism: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fiOJ6lrX0zY this was more than 10 years ago, it got only worse till then. Ethiopian Jews are at the bottom of society, many of them live in the slums of Tel Aviv. They serve a purpose, that is making sure Palestinians don’t outnumber Israeli Jews. Also doing shitty jobs that no one else wants to do & that pay barely enough to survive.
Israel is made by and for Ashkenazi Jews. Just look e.g. at the list of prime ministers to confirm that. I get your point though, we may call it as well Ashkenazi supremacist for that matter. But even if Palestinians were gone, black Jews would be next in line.
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And noone ever claimed so. But if you think that Egyptians would be somehow be ashamed of their Macedonian Pharaos or think that Cleopatra was black you’d also be sorely mistaken. There is a shared cultural heritage in the Mediterranean that’s in many older and deeper than that between say Italy and Germany, divided by pretty much unpassable alps.
Note, for the record, it says “African non-Jews”, not “black people”. The primary distinction for Israeli rightoids is always Jew vs. non-Jew, not colour of skin or something, that’s incidental. If there were a sizeable number of, say, Russian non-Jews in Israel they’d want them gone just as much.
They are the worst-educated group of all. Ashkenazi are the best-educated. Doesn’t mean that Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against when it comes to access to education or such, the disparity is due to their different countries of origin having vastly differing educational levels.
When it comes to “pays barely enough to survive”, well, blame Likud and their pudding prices. Right-wing governments were never good at lowering effects of socio-economic background.
Mediterranean and Middle-East Jews nearly outnumber Jews of European origin in Israel, and Ashkenazi are only a subsection of European Jews. The current alpha asshat (Ben Gvir) has roots in Iraq. If you look at polls then Ashkenazi are significantly more liberal on average than other groups, which shouldn’t be surprising given that the exodus from the Muslim world wasn’t exactly a voluntary affair, is the most recent, and the conflict is still ongoing. Jigal Amir has Lebanese roots. Easy for people like them to have a personal axe to grind while Ashkenazi can see how much Europe changed. There’s also a strong Socdem current among Ashkenazi, inherited from Europe and our labour struggles here which just didn’t happen like that in the Arab states, Jews were a strong component of it (which is also why the Nazis came up with the term “Judeo-Bolshevism”, denigrating Socialists as Jews and Jews as Socialists in the same term). Random example: Rosa Luxemburg was a Jew (at least by ancestry and external perception).
OTOH yes fucks like the Stern Gang definitely were also Europeans, arriving at the same time as the Labour Zionists. What I’m saying is that the population has shifted quite a bit since then, overall diminishing direct European influence.
I know I know the usual “anti-colonial” narrative of “Europeans are responsible for everything bad in the world” is an easy “historical” extension of the usual “the CIA is responsible for everything bad in the world” narrative but, face it, we don’t have a monopoly on being assholes. That would be a rather racist claim I’d say. Other people are just as capable of that.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://m.piped.video/watch?v=fiOJ6lrX0zY
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Do I have to bring music into this
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.