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    so in amerikkka protesting is de facto illegal, since people get black bagged, the FBI probing them, and it’s legal to run over protestors with land yachts in some states

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    The American liberal, faced with this reality, tends to concede that truth is in fact drowned out by a relentless tide of spin and propaganda. Their next move is always predictable, however. It’s another lesson dutifully drilled into them in their youth: “At least we can dissent, however unpopular and ineffectual!” The reality, of course, is that such dissent is tolerated to the extent that it is unpopular.

    Big-shot TV host Phil Donahue demonstrated that challenging imperial marching orders in the context of the invasion of Iraq was career suicide, when a leaked memo clearly explained he was fired in 2003 because he’d be a “difficult public face for NBC in a time of war.” [5] The fate of journalists unprotected by such wealth or celebrity is darker and sadder. Ramsey Orta, whose footage of Eric Garner pleading “I can’t breathe!” to NYPD cops choking him to death went viral, was rewarded for his impactful citizen journalism by having his family targeted by the cops, fast-tracked to prison for unrelated crimes, and fed rat poison while in there. [6] The only casualty of the spectacular “Panama Papers” leak was Daphne Caruana Galizia, the journalist who led the investigation, who was assassinated with a car-bomb near her home in Malta. [7] Then there’s the well-publicized cases of Assange, Snowden, Manning, etc. That said, I tend think to such lists are somewhat unnecessary since, ultimately, most honest people confess that they self-censor on social media for fear of consequences. (Do you?)

    In other words, the status quo in the West is basically as follows: you can say whatever you want, so long as it doesn’t actually have any effect.


    from https://redsails.org/brainwashing/

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    I fucking hate liberals so much.

    At least chuds are honest and say they hate me and want to kill me.

    Libs want the same thing but they lecture me about why I owe them an apology and a thank you while they’re doing it.

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        True, just disheartening as a motherfucker to watch. Almost faith-eroding with how some of the locals I know still act about her, like there’s smth there to salvage.

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        Maybe I’m being too optimistic, but calling 80% of democrat voters Russian shills could be a bridge too far. I don’t think normie libs will buy it.

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      I really want a leak to reveal that the Kremlin was behind the liberal side of Russiagate as well as the conservative side lol. I don’t know why they haven’t thrown a million dollars in chump change at various democratic organizations just to muddy the waters

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        Honestly, I’m cynical enough at this point to believe the only reason the DNC threw a fit in the first place was a soft extortionary attempt.

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      hot take but I’d say its %90 believing their own bullshit. I think about everyone Ive met over 60 in America and how their brain has little swiss cheese holes in it, I dont think Nancy is so different.

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        “Ha ha today I think I’ll spread disinfo about Russian meddling to advance my political agenda”

        time passes

        “Holy shit I heard Russia is meddling in our politics!”

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          I don’t even think they were intentionally spreading the disinfo, plenty of them genuinely believed that Russia significantly altered the 2016 election results in some capacity, ignoring the litany of evidence otherwise

          Oh no, they purged some names from some ballots for primary voting iirc

          Oh no, they put out some misleading tweets that were drops in an ocean

          But some libs treat those things like they were on the level of a militarized coup

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            Yea for rank and file libs and libs on Twitter for sure, I meant like pelosi and other higher up ghouls who I assume are more likely to know better. Mostly just having a go at her for being yet another geriatric life appointment ghoul tho lol

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    This is bad obviously because some random peace kid is gonna go their life fucked

    However, this also means that (probably) the protests are putting a shitload of pressure on these Nazi ghouls to drop Zionism. If it wasn’t working, if it was easily ignored or whatever, they wouldn’t even acknowledge the protests. As they’ve done for almost 4 months now.

    Gotta pump those protest numbers. Time to look into the next DC mass protest.

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    Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., on Sunday said she hopes to ask the FBI to investigate protesters calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war and suggested that some of the antiwar demonstrations are linked to Russia.

    During an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union,” the former House speaker shared her belief that some of the protesters are “connected” to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    “For them to call for a cease-fire is Mr. Putin’s message, Mr. Putin’s message. Make no mistake. This is directly connected to what he would like to see. Same thing with Ukraine. It’s about Putin’s message,” Pelosi said.

    “I think some of these — some of these protesters are spontaneous and organic and sincere. Some, I think, are connected to Russia, and I say that having looked at this for a long time now,” she continued. Pressed on whether she thinks some of the protesters are Russian plants, Pelosi said she would like to have the FBI look into the matter.

    “I didn’t say they’re plants. I think some financing should be investigated,” she said. “And I want to ask the FBI to investigate that.”

    Asked about how concerned she is that voters such as young people, Arab Americans and progressives might stay home instead of voting for President Joe Biden in the general election, given the growing number of protests at his campaign events, Pelosi said she has been a “recipient” of what she described as “exuberances” of protesters.

    “They’re in front of my house all the time. So I have a feeling for what feelings they have, but we have to think about what we’re doing,” she said. “And what we have to do is try to stop the suffering and gossip. This is women and children. People don’t have a place to go, so let’s address that.”

    Asked to comment on Pelosi’s remarks, a spokesperson for the California Democrat said she is supportive of peaceful protests and is concerned about foreign adversaries meddling in the 2024 presidential election.

    “As Speaker Pelosi said on CNN, we have to focus on stopping the suffering in Gaza, and she will continue demanding that all hostages be freed now,” the spokesperson said in a statement. “Speaker Pelosi has always supported and defended the right of all Americans to make their views known through peaceful protest.”

    “Informed by three decades on the House Intelligence Committee, Speaker Pelosi is acutely aware of how foreign adversaries meddle in American politics to sow division and impact our elections, and she wants to see further investigation ahead of the 2024 election,” the spokesperson added.

    Pelosi’s comments underscored a growing divide within the Democratic Party. Her statement drew a contrast with remarks given nearly simultaneously by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., a member of the progressive “Squad” of House members. During a Sunday appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Ocasio-Cortez said she thinks that ongoing protests at Biden campaign events show that “young people are appalled at the violence and the indiscriminate loss of life.”

    Protests during Biden’s campaign events have increased amid the president’s outspoken support for Israel. In response to the mounting protests, Biden’s advisers and Democratic Party leaders have adopted a new, ramped-up approach to dealing with the protests that indicate fractures within his own party over his handling of the war.

    At the same time, the Biden administration is discussing using weaponry sales to Israel as leverage in efforts to get Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government to curtail its military assault in the Gaza Strip, NBC News reported on Sunday.

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      And what we have to do is try to stop the suffering and gossip. This is women and children. People don’t have a place to go, so let’s address that.”

      It’s “in Gaza” not “and gossip”

      Also, pretty obvious by “a place to go” Nancy means the Sinai desert, and by “addressing that” she means exerting pressure on Egypt to allow the ethnic cleansing