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    If the context is “are all billionaires villainous”, then sure. That isn’t the context, though. The context is “is this specific billionaire uniquely villainous” - remember, the speaker is an order of magnitude wealthier - that makes it way more likely to be a Nazi attack than a surprise anti-oligarch assessment.

    So either you get that now and your question was answered, or you’re arguing in bad faith acting like we don’t see through you and this exhaustingly common nazi enabling rhetorical device.

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      So either you get that now and your question was answered, or you’re arguing in bad faith

      My question didn’t even mention Musk. I asked how in general the action of calling a billionaire a villain makes someone a Nazi. Believe it or not, Musk is irrelevant, because he is not the only person who rightfully calls out Soros and gets accused for antisemitism. There are a lot of random nobodies who don’t have billions of dollars who get called antisemitic just because they hate when already rich and powerful people use their wealth and power to further influence politics at home and abroad. See https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/George_Soros

      Case in point: I am not anywhere close to the wealth of George Soros, yet you call me a Nazi enabler for (justly) calling him a villain. Who is really in bad faith here?

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        my brother in Christ the article was about musk calling soros a villain

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          Yeah but our point of contention had nothing to do with Elon Musk

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            yours didn’t, mine very much so did. I don’t really care about how you were trying to derail from the original topic; you asked the question within the context of the original topic, I answered it, now you’re trying to act like the context was never there. I really just don’t care about what you have to say anymore, tbh

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              What, so I’m not allowed to start the discussion that I want to have even if it’s related to the original topic?

              Edit: By the way, there’s a difference between providing context and imposing meaning that isn’t there.

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                You are, and there’s a “new post” button at the top. Or you can say “regardless of this being musk saying the original thing, can we talk about how billionaires really are just the worst?”

                Coming in out of nowhere with only your own axe to grind without any of the rest of us having a concept of why you’re bringing it up just smacks of someone wanting to hate on jews, just like the original guy, which is what I originally answered of your original question.

                And I’m sorry, but your non-sequitur at the end had absolutely nothing to do with how this conversation unfolded. Read it again from the top - and I don’t mean your reply to the post, but the actual post itself.

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                  You are, and there’s a “new post” button at the top

                  Yeah but the comment feature makes it easy to have related discussion in one place.

                  It’s not a non sequitor. I assumed by the post, you meant that calling George Soros a villain makes you look like a Nazi, regardless of who you are. That’s why Elon Musk looks like a Nazi. This assumption was proven correct in your response.

                  So by now, the meaning behind my question is beyond being clearly established, so why do you insist on these semantic games instead of sticking to the chain of discussion?

                  So let’s continue. I thought I made a salient point earlier. If your standard is consistent, why are people who have similar animosity towards other jewish billionaires like the Koch brothers and Mark Zuckerburg not given the same treatment? Why are they not labelled antisemitic?

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                    I’m sorry, but what you call “semantic games” is literally the contract of communication. Semantics are the definition of meaning, and I’m not going to let you futz around with them to try to win a little pocket war of stupidity.

                    If you lack the wherewithal to see that the context around a singular billionaire going ham on another singular billionaire solely because he’s the alt-right’s nonsensical boogie man, then that’s entirely your problem. When you participate in the same game that the billionaire is; to whit, an obvious nazi attack, then I’m just going to let you paint yourself with the same brush. That is YOUR doing.

                    I’ve laid out a number of ways you can easily criticize Soros. It’s easy: literally all billionaires are bastards. But say that appropos of nothing, not within the context of one alt-right nazifucker saying it publicly and then going “hrm, yeah now is the time to air my grievance; I’m exceedingly wise”