Humanitarian agencies say women and menstruating people are also facing alarming rates of severe infections due to Israel’s blockade of supplies and water.

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    Let me ask you something. If Hamas was hiding themselves amongst the Israeli population, would the IDF tactics be the same?

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      That’s a pretty big if. How could they do such a thing without local support?

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        It’s not a big if it’s a simple question. “Would Isreal be bombing so indiscriminately and so heavily if that ment thirty thousand Israelis would die as a result?” we all know the answer, its obvious eradication of the Palestinian people is the only goal here. Additionally no Israel leader has explained what happens after they destroy Hamas. Then what? Will Palestine be granted self determination? Will Palestine be recognized by the internal community? Will the apartheid state be abolished? If the answer is no to any of those, then we will just be back to another Hamas like terrorists organization getting control.

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          obvious

          You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

          Additionally no Israel leader has explained what happens after they destroy Hamas.

          Not quite true (but this is a pretty fresh statement, so your view is understandable):

          https://english.aawsat.com/arab-world/4798646-netanyahu-israel-has-destroyed-two-thirds-hamas-regiments

          “In any future arrangement … Israel needs security control all territory west of the Jordan,” Netanyahu said. “This collides with the idea of sovereignty. What can you do?”

          If Netanyahu gets to keep his head (politically), it looks like Gaza strip will be controlled by Israel and Palestine will not exist. It’s not at all necessary that he will, though – he’s currently very unpopular in Israel. Then again, if he gets to claim victory, that might change.

          I wish it was possible for Hamas to be unpopular in Palestine. How great would that be.

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            That’s basically proof of genocide. They want to control everything and kick out all the Palestinians.

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              They want to control everything

              Probably, or at least security.

              and kick out all the Palestinians.

              That remains to be seen, I guess.

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                How else do you do it? You can’t just occupy a populace forever. It doesn’t work without sharing equal rights. There will always be attacks, whether it’s from Hamas, IRA, Black Panthers or Weather Underground, ANC, the Jewish ghetto uprisings or slave revolts, oppression always leads to fighting back. It’s either use diplomacy to share human rights in one state, grant sovereignty through setting up a second state, or genocide. Even if they “kill Hamas” all these orphans and widows are just going to grow up to start another group. It might even be called Hamas.

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                  I don’t claim to know, but clearly it has worked a couple of times in recent history. WW2 ended with Germany, Italy and Japan being totally defeated and conquered by Allied forces. And they mostly left in just a few years. I’m guessing what it takes is that the population needs to understand they lost.

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                    I don’t think they had as much of a colonizer-colonized relationship or were oppressed as long. The Allied forces left those places in less than 10 years because they just wanted a military victory. They weren’t trying to occupy territory where people already live and then oppress them, but that’s what those other societies I mentioned did. Also, I hope you’re not arguing that they should be oppressing Palestinians forever =(. That’s not great.