Humanitarian agencies say women and menstruating people are also facing alarming rates of severe infections due to Israel’s blockade of supplies and water.

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    How else do you do it? You can’t just occupy a populace forever. It doesn’t work without sharing equal rights. There will always be attacks, whether it’s from Hamas, IRA, Black Panthers or Weather Underground, ANC, the Jewish ghetto uprisings or slave revolts, oppression always leads to fighting back. It’s either use diplomacy to share human rights in one state, grant sovereignty through setting up a second state, or genocide. Even if they “kill Hamas” all these orphans and widows are just going to grow up to start another group. It might even be called Hamas.

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      I don’t claim to know, but clearly it has worked a couple of times in recent history. WW2 ended with Germany, Italy and Japan being totally defeated and conquered by Allied forces. And they mostly left in just a few years. I’m guessing what it takes is that the population needs to understand they lost.

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        I don’t think they had as much of a colonizer-colonized relationship or were oppressed as long. The Allied forces left those places in less than 10 years because they just wanted a military victory. They weren’t trying to occupy territory where people already live and then oppress them, but that’s what those other societies I mentioned did. Also, I hope you’re not arguing that they should be oppressing Palestinians forever =(. That’s not great.

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          What do you think Israel should do to Gaza in the current situation where the ruling party of Gaza does not recognize the legitimacy of Israel’s existence? I mean Israel has been doing what it has been doing in Gaza for a pretty damned good reason, and if Hamas (the ruling party of Gaza) would unlodge their heads from their behinds, things could actually improve.

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            The ruling party in Gaza hasn’t had a popular mandate for decades until Israel decided on collective punishment for the whole area. So step one would be stop that.

            A majority support a two state solution, which means Israel would be fine. It just requires negotiating with the PLO or the official government of Palestine and giving them support instead of undermining them at every turn like Israel and the international community has done. Hamas has received support from Israel in order to set up an enemy that they can use a scapegoat to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state and to split the power from the PLO and weaken them. So step two is give the PLO that kind of support instead of Hamas.