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    9 months ago

    Ending genocide isn’t on the ballot this year, Trump is. Your choices are between probably more genocide if you don’t vote for Biden and possibly less genocide if you do vote for Biden. It’s really that simple.

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        Yes, we live in America and don’t get to vote on those sorts of things generally. The choices available are shitty and limited, if you haven’t figured that out yet I’ve got some terrible news because that’s how it works here. You can vote for the lesser evil and hope to move things in a better direction, or you can empower Trump and pretty much guarantee the horrorshow will be intensified.

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          I won’t vote for evil at all. Not if it means this. I’ve voted that way, (lesser evil) in hopes that i could do like you said, but it didn’t pan out that way in the 25 voting years I’ve experienced. The (quite likely) fact you have closer to that many total years as i have voting years, and that I’ve been a political hobbyist for most of those means your attempt at dismissal is a sloppy one.

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            Your judgment is not good then, I’ve been a voter for a bit longer than you. I don’t think you really have a choice in “voting for evil”, not voting or throwing your vote away on a third party is just as much a vote for evil as directly voting for Trump because it still serves to empower Trump and the GOP.

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      9 months ago

      Ending genocide isn’t on the ballot this year, Trump is.

      Then fuck Joe Biden, fuck the Democrats, fuck this country and fuck this “Democracy”. You all can try to win the general on your own.

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      9 months ago

      Ending genocide isn’t on the ballot this year,

      It would be if you cowards had the guts to tell Biden that he will lose if he continues to support genocide.

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          That is how it works! Politicians change their policies based on what their supporters demand of them.

          What do you think politics is? Do you think we’re helpless to the whims of politicians between election cycles?

          You just want to absolve yourself of guilt for actively supporting genocide.

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            9 months ago

            Again, insulting me won’t change anything. I obviously don’t support genocide. I’m done with whatever you’re doing.

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                By voting against Biden, including not voting, you are voting for genocide as well. But equally importantly, also voting for fascism.

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                  Well, we made it pretty clear we were fed up with procorporate trash candidates in 2016. But then a bunch of pieces of shit decided they were voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries. We gave him a chance and he fucking blew it. Fuck Joe Biden and fuck everyone who voted for him in the primaries.

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        The few people on the Internet that read this or feel like you. Grow up. You’re not changing anything. You’re electing Trump. I’ve heard this bullshit for over 20 years and it’s been a slippery fucking slope.

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          The few people on the Internet that read this or feel like you.

          Sounds like you don’t need our votes then. Go win the 2024 general election all on your own.

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          They really do come across as naive children, the people who espouse this kind of belief. Demonstrating a lack of awareness of how complicated global politics are while also demonstrating a lack of awareness of how, in some ways, simple American politics are. They remind me of myself as a high schooler, all full of righteous indignation and hope for change without understanding how things work.

          There will only be two choices for president, no matter how much we may want it to be otherwise or pretend that it could be otherwise. That will remain the case until we can get rid of first past the post and no amount of protesting is going to change that. If you truly want a third party candidate, your focus should be on getting rid of first pass the post. Until then, we only have two options.

          Yes, that does mean our democracy is broken. No, that doesn’t mean it’s unsalvageable. And as I said above, a broken democracy is better than a fascist regime.

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          Biden is electing Trump by alienating his base. 80% of Democrats want a ceasefire! What the fuck?!

          Your cynicism is noted, but change is possible if you aren’t too much of a coward to try.

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        No matter how much people vote against Biden, that won’t end the genocide. Regardless of the fact that Trump would carry it out probably more enthusiastically, neither of them have the power to stop Netanyahu. And Netanyahu doesn’t give a shit what Americans citizens think. He has the military might to subjugate the Palestinians with or without the US and he has made it clear that that’s what he intends to do.

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        Yeah, President’s don’t care about that shit. They’re beholden to their corporate donors, who are going to be pro-Israel. Geopolitics and oil resources are a removed, aren’t they?