• queermunist she/her
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    8 months ago

    Okay, some counterpoints:

    1. Trump is incredibly fucking stupid, in addition to being a wildcard. Not only can we never predict what he’s going to do, the ruling class can’t predict what he’s going to do. Worse (for them) is that he’ll just do stuff even if it’s counterproductive or harms US interests.

    2. Biden’s domestic policy is basically “let the red states do whatever they want to queer people because it’s good for elections” which really isn’t that much better than Trump. The state-level anti-trans legislation that has passed during Biden’s term is going to lead to more deaths. He owns that because he doesn’t care about us.

    3. If you’re telling me the only reason Democrats aren’t actively joining a bipartisan genocide of queer people is because they believe they need to pander to the progressive left, something I agree with, then that’s literally a hostage situation. “Vote for us or we’ll fucking kill you.”

    4. I’m a trans woman and I can only speak for myself as just one individual, but I am not going to vote for someone else’s genocide to maybe (not even certainly, maybe) protect myself. I already voted for this once. It’s my fault. If I had any bravery I’d find a way to throw by body into the gears of the machine to slow it down, not cowardly protect myself by throwing other people in my place.

    5. Israel is doing this genocide waving a rainbow flag. They butcher children in my name. They wear my fucking colors and pretend like they’re progressive and pro-queer while they pound Gaza with 2000 pound bombs.

    6. I already voted for this once and I want to die. Have you been listening to the news? Not the bullshit from CNN/MSNBC/NPR but the real news from DemocracyNow and Al Jazeera- even TikTok is a better source than the center-left horseshit these days. Have you been listening? The horror stories I keep hearing are making it hard to keep going. I voted for this. I’d rather die than vote for this again.

    7. Bushnell has had more influence on American politics than every vote either us have ever cast in our entire lives.

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      8 months ago

      I don’t disagree with you to be honest, and since you are an American (I believe so) and I’m not, the decision is really yours.

      I’m just saying that in a hostage situation like you described, when one kidnapper wants to murder you, and the other thinks you still have some value to them, it is not unreasonable to try to placate them to buy yourself more time while you work out an escape plan/seeking for help.

      I agree that both are atrocious and genocidal, but given that left wing movements are so fragmented and weak in the US, you have to think strategically, not just for the moment, but for how you’re going to build strength over a longer term. That’s all I’m saying.

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        8 months ago

        In a hostage situation like you describe it’s also not unreasonable to try to grab one of their guns~

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          8 months ago

          That’s interesting, and understandable, although coming from a Chinese/East Asian culture I certainly have more of an emphasis on “playing the long game” mentality. Not seeking direct confrontation, but being smart about it and playing with cards we’re dealt with etc. to come out on top.

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            8 months ago

            Climate change and nuclear war will probably combine to cause near human extinction within the next few decades.

            We do not have a long game to play anymore. Or rather, the long game started over 100 years ago and we’re about to lose. Not to mention while you’re slow and steady, people die.