• CableMonster
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    9 months ago

    Ukraine claims 413k, russia claims less, I dont know what you are referring to. Obviously Ukraine and Russian numbers will be bullshit, but I am not the one believing either side.

    And you just changed the discussion to something different. The border has not changed signficantly since fall of 2022, Ukraine is about to lose because they are running out of people to fight. I am just telling you reality of the situation not the propaganda.

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      9 months ago

      Russia still claims over 300k troop losses, so they’re still losing even according to their estimates more than 10 soldiers for every one of Ukraine’s, even if we believe that Russia is overreporting their losses, something that doesn’t make any sense and is not evidenced or corroborated by any reports.

      I have not changed the conversation.

      I have consistently asked you why you believe Russia is overreporting their losses, for which you have no answer.

      You are not telling me any “reality”, and you are the ones spouting baseless propaganda, as far as I can tell.

      Russia is losing this war. It doesn’t seem like they’re going to win anything, I don’t see how you can consider this altercation anything other than a massive loss for Russia.

      Losing 10 times the troops, losing most of their military equipment, burdened by sanctions for decades, pushing all of their opponents to renewable energy and to NATO so that they’ll steadily and annually lose the advantage of their main export, to repeat a few Russian defeats.

      Taking literally 101 times longer, so far, than they thought to achieve a “victory” over a couple of regions in a country vastly smaller than them with a smaller military?

      Proving that Russia has a sickly, weak military capability with soldiers ready to surrender as soon as they are sent into Ukraine?

      What a coup.

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        9 months ago

        You just make things up that no one is saying. Literally all the things you are saying are not what people are claiming or what they have been saying. To everyone but you and other people that have eaten the propaganda, Ukraine is about to lose, you can believe silly propaganda if you wish but its not real.

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          9 months ago

          Why don’t you give me an example of something you think I’m making up?

          That’s quite a broad accusation to make without any evidence to back it up, while I have reliable and credible sources that corroborate everything I’ve written here.

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            9 months ago

            You keep claiming russia is saying what it isnt saying, and you are just accepting what Ukraine is saying as the truth. If you actually want to know what everyone says about causalities, I think wiki has probably gotten pretty close to what everyone is claiming.

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              9 months ago

              Tell me which things I’m specifically saying that you think are wrong.

              Show me which the sources you believe are correct.

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                9 months ago

                “You keep claiming russia is saying what it isnt saying, and you are just accepting what Ukraine is saying as the truth.”

                Please see wiki numbers and I am guessing they have what you want.

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                  9 months ago

                  Are you specifically referring to mainstream Wikipedia?

                  Because they corroborate my numbers as of 2024.

                  Most estimates are at 30000 plus casualties for Ukrainian forces and 300,000 to 400,000 plus casualties for Russian forces.

                  10 to 13 Russian soldiers dead or wounded for every Ukrainian.

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                    9 months ago

                    Cool, look again, the number of 30k is propaganda, and so is 413k.