So it’s much more likely to you that a country would be honest in reporting its own genocide?
A country with a “democratically elected” dictator? The same one constantly threatening an island off their coast with full scale invasion while simultaneously gaslighting the rest of the world about it? That country that regularly and consistently talks the very same shit about the west that you’re accusing the west of? The only country on the planet with a nationwide firewall preventing their own citizens from seeing sources they don’t control?
You trust their media because “the west is bad”?
At best, China is just as bad as the west. At worst, they’re killing their own people in broad daylight.
We see what instance you’re here from. We know you’re here shilling your motherland. Good luck with that.
Educate yourself. Find Kinmen island on a map and see for yourself how close it is to a major Chinese city. Now ask yourself why the US has planted special forces there. Who is threatening who exactly? Remember, most countries have gone to war over far less flagrant violations of sovereignty in the interest of security. China is straight up pacifist here. Bad example.
At worst, they’re killing their own people in broad daylight.
Show me even one instance of evidence for this and I’ll take you seriously.
We see what instance you’re here from.
I’ve been on Lemmy since before federation when the only two instances were Lemmy.ml or Lemmygrad. So what is your point exactly?
Cherry picks and misrepresents one single point out of six without actually addressing the main point
Ok buddy, struggle a little harder. You’ve still proven my point. Maybe go back to your echo chamber where China is a world hero and you can all nod your head in agreement
You want me to debate you on six different gish-galloped points? Dude, you are way to self important. I have better things to do than debate you on China all day. Maybe try addressing my first and second rebuttal and I’ll get to the other ones. Veggies before dessert.
Enough said, buddy. We know you won’t. Why should I even consider yours?
gish-galloped
Pretty sure a prerequisite of a gish-gallop is that all the things listed are irrelevant. The point is that China is not a trust worthy nation. Those are reasons why. Although I guess it’s easy for you to mislabel it and ignore. Seems like a pretty self-important thing to do, so I’m not surprised you’d accuse me of that as well.
Go spend your time elsewhere then. I’m sure your echo chamber misses you. And enjoy your downvotes.
Did you? You cherry picked a sub point, and you asked for evidence for an “at worst” situation. You’re a shill
And I enjoy shutting down tankies who can’t seem to see that China is not any better. I work with Chinese people. I see their perspectives. Unless you live in China, I’m going to laugh at you for telling me I live in an ideological box. And if you do live in China, I’m going to laugh harder because your government is watching you and making sure that you stay in your ideological box.
Thought you had better things to do than argue with a liberal?
Thought you had better things to do than argue with a liberal?
I did, and now I’m back :)
Did you?
Ok, what’s your main point? That I believe Chinese media over the West’s media? Strawman. I believe in investigating the facts of a situation firsthand and not taking anyone’s word for anything. That makes debunking your bullshit significantly more time consuming, which is why I said I had better things to do, especially when you don’t provide first or even secondhand evidence for any of your claims. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Now I have addressed all of your points inasmuch as they demand addressing.
tankies just cannot hold in their minds that two rival things can both be bad at the same time.
western countries have done bad things, therefore let’s treat anyone anti-west - putin, al-assad, xi, kim, milosevic etc - as innocent heroic saviors, is how they think.
they have a very small set of inviolable axioms which lead to an absurdly simple and shallow “goodies and baddies” view of the world and history.
Nah, they hyped up the weapons of mass destruction claim same as everyone.
Meanwhile suspicion is growing that Iraq might actually be actively producing mass weapons of destruction.
The German daily, “Frankfurter Allgemeinen Sonntagszeitung” reported recently about a new nuclear programme. Relying on trustworthy reports of the Federal German News Service (BND) from January, the newspaper said that Iraq was buying “nuclear relevant basic chemicals”.
Intelligence sources had also found indications that Iraq is continuing with its “Bio-Toxin-Programme” and is “building a mobile B-weapons capacity”, the newspaper said.
This could mean that Iraq could achieve the high nuclear status of 1990.
No way a long list of Western media outfits who also lied about Iraq until we went to war with them are lying again?? That’s Crazy!!
So it’s much more likely to you that a country would be honest in reporting its own genocide?
A country with a “democratically elected” dictator? The same one constantly threatening an island off their coast with full scale invasion while simultaneously gaslighting the rest of the world about it? That country that regularly and consistently talks the very same shit about the west that you’re accusing the west of? The only country on the planet with a nationwide firewall preventing their own citizens from seeing sources they don’t control?
You trust their media because “the west is bad”?
At best, China is just as bad as the west. At worst, they’re killing their own people in broad daylight.
We see what instance you’re here from. We know you’re here shilling your motherland. Good luck with that.
Educate yourself. Find Kinmen island on a map and see for yourself how close it is to a major Chinese city. Now ask yourself why the US has planted special forces there. Who is threatening who exactly? Remember, most countries have gone to war over far less flagrant violations of sovereignty in the interest of security. China is straight up pacifist here. Bad example.
Show me even one instance of evidence for this and I’ll take you seriously.
I’ve been on Lemmy since before federation when the only two instances were Lemmy.ml or Lemmygrad. So what is your point exactly?
Ok buddy, struggle a little harder. You’ve still proven my point. Maybe go back to your echo chamber where China is a world hero and you can all nod your head in agreement
You want me to debate you on six different gish-galloped points? Dude, you are way to self important. I have better things to do than debate you on China all day. Maybe try addressing my first and second rebuttal and I’ll get to the other ones. Veggies before dessert.
Enough said, buddy. We know you won’t. Why should I even consider yours?
Pretty sure a prerequisite of a gish-gallop is that all the things listed are irrelevant. The point is that China is not a trust worthy nation. Those are reasons why. Although I guess it’s easy for you to mislabel it and ignore. Seems like a pretty self-important thing to do, so I’m not surprised you’d accuse me of that as well.
Go spend your time elsewhere then. I’m sure your echo chamber misses you. And enjoy your downvotes.
I didn’t say that. I did address your points. More than you have addressed mine.
I always enjoy downvotes when they come from bitter liberals who have never thought outside of the ideological box they were put inside
Did you? You cherry picked a sub point, and you asked for evidence for an “at worst” situation. You’re a shill
And I enjoy shutting down tankies who can’t seem to see that China is not any better. I work with Chinese people. I see their perspectives. Unless you live in China, I’m going to laugh at you for telling me I live in an ideological box. And if you do live in China, I’m going to laugh harder because your government is watching you and making sure that you stay in your ideological box.
Thought you had better things to do than argue with a liberal?
I did, and now I’m back :)
Ok, what’s your main point? That I believe Chinese media over the West’s media? Strawman. I believe in investigating the facts of a situation firsthand and not taking anyone’s word for anything. That makes debunking your bullshit significantly more time consuming, which is why I said I had better things to do, especially when you don’t provide first or even secondhand evidence for any of your claims. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Now I have addressed all of your points inasmuch as they demand addressing.
tankies just cannot hold in their minds that two rival things can both be bad at the same time.
western countries have done bad things, therefore let’s treat anyone anti-west - putin, al-assad, xi, kim, milosevic etc - as innocent heroic saviors, is how they think.
they have a very small set of inviolable axioms which lead to an absurdly simple and shallow “goodies and baddies” view of the world and history.
DW is a German news agency, I have a hard time believing they were part of the Iraq lie
Nah, they hyped up the weapons of mass destruction claim same as everyone.
https://www.dw.com/en/war-clouds-loom/a-448728