Couldn’t find anything backing up your claim that meat without synthetic taurine makes cats sick (which sounds like BS) and actually find some info that said that long-term affects of synthetic taurine is unknown in cats, and may not be as bioavailable for them as animal-based taurine.
Not seeing the word “synthetic” there chief. Wanna try again?
Also from your article: "Cat foods that contain high-quality animal-based protein will supply adequate levels of taurine for a normal, healthy cat.
Supplemental taurine may be added to certain cat foods, especially diets that are formulated for specific needs such as heart disease or growth and development"
Food is just chemicals and it turns out it doesn’t actually matter if the chemicals have a soul attached to them or not. Personally don’t think vegans should own pets at all but the whole “they carnivores tho” is rly dumb
There is not vegan cat food that works just fine, and you’re a fucking asshole if you force an obligate carnivore to become a vegan because of your personal human beliefs.
Cats eat no plant matter naturally. Absolutely none. If you have studies somehow proving that they can live by eating only things that they naturally never eat, feel free to educate me. But as far as I’m aware, attempting to put cats on a vegan diet is animal abuse.
I don’t think they propose feeding your cats literally vegetables, but cat food made specifically for them, containing all the proteins and micronutrients they need, sourced from plant based materials.
Yes, but I am questioning whether such a thing is being produced and actually equivalent. The thread further down cites for example synthetic taurine to be of inferior nutritional value to natural taurine.
This isn’t something I know a lot about, and it’s probably possible to produce vegan cat food with sufficient nutrition somehow, but there’s still a burden of proof that such a thing is actually on the market and shown to not be worse for cats.
Stealing this link from another comment. Apparently it is possible to feed cats vegan food however it’s very involved, difficult and expensive for a multitude of reasons, not just the nutrients.
I personally wouldn’t bother, even if I myself was vegan and I’d wager that most people who do try to make their cat a vegan don’t bother to do it the right and healthy way either…
Nooooo you don’t understand I have to abuse animals to prove I’m an animal lover. Not paying for animals to be raised in cramped, diseased conditions and killed would make me a bad person. Won’t you please think of the needs of the animals to have other animals abused?
Oh yeah? By taking care of my cat and supplying him with food that his body needs I’m an abuser? Because I buy meat based food from a company that buys their meat from a processor that buys their meat from a slaughterhouse that may abuse their animals? I don’t think that’s ironic, I think that’s a stretch.
judging by your snarky reply, i’m guessing you understand how slaughterhouses work.
in your original comment i replied to, you go to great lengths to illustrate how removed you are from the whole process and how uncertain you are that the slaughterhouses are even abusing their animals. if you know what happens in slaughter houses, how could you even entertain the possibility of one existing that doesn’t abuse their animals? they are purpose-built to do exactly that.
Killing does not equal abuse, ie torture. I have no doubt many slaughterhouses do, but that’s not my fault–its my shitty government’s fault for not protecting the animals and funding efforts to do so.
I still have to feed my cat what it needs. I’m a vegetarian, but biologically I’m not and neither is my cat. Unlike my cat, I have the option to become one voluntarily. Thus, meat is murder and yada yada but Mr. Whiskers needs his goddamn catfood.
I’m. Not. Slaughtering. Anything. You want to change the system, be my guest. But it’s a matter of biology, not ethics.
Cats are fucking predators and that’s final. People like you feed newborn babies oat milk and then are shocked when it dies. Indeed, clueless. Give vegans a bad name.
I mean you are arguing the exact opposite of what the original post is.
I’ve never researched it before but having read the links on this post, it seems like it is safe to feed your cat a diet that doesn’t consist of meat. Great stuff I say, the world is slowly getting better. Ordering some for my cat now.
Well. My cat gets regular cat food, but I do kinda deny him “the choice of food”. (He’s prone to get diarrhea and gets a specialty food for sensitive stomachs.)
I fail to see how choosing for your cat somehow would he wrong, since literally every cat owner does it. We don’t sent them shopping and accept whatever they bring home.
Vegan cat food is not just vegetables for the uninformed. It is made to have all the necessary components that a car needs in its diet, mostly it is just missing the death of an animal part.
Vegans that are Vegan for the animals probably wouldn’t feed a cat other animals, it makes no sense. There is Vegan cat food that works just fine.
cats are carnivores. no diet will ever change that. feed your cats meat.
If you knew the history of cat food you would know that even meat made cats sick without added synthetic taurine.
They have since added taurine to all cat foods.
Vegan cat food is perfectly healthy for cats.
Was curious so I looked it up.
Couldn’t find anything backing up your claim that meat without synthetic taurine makes cats sick (which sounds like BS) and actually find some info that said that long-term affects of synthetic taurine is unknown in cats, and may not be as bioavailable for them as animal-based taurine.
“Looked it up”
Not seeing the word “synthetic” there chief. Wanna try again?
Also from your article: "Cat foods that contain high-quality animal-based protein will supply adequate levels of taurine for a normal, healthy cat.
Supplemental taurine may be added to certain cat foods, especially diets that are formulated for specific needs such as heart disease or growth and development"
There is literally no difference in chemical structure between synthetic and natural taurine.
🤔
You’re arguing with a person who thinks the abstract google throws at you when looking for some information is to be trusted…
Okay class
So this is taurine
It literally dont matter how you get it it the same shit
QED
Heres an article https://www.news-medical.net/health/Taurine-Synthesis-and-Production.aspx
No but if you’re a vegan you can’t have the stuff out of animals; you have to make your own.
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You’re willing to toy with making a cat blind AND spread information. Fuck off forever.
Food is just chemicals and it turns out it doesn’t actually matter if the chemicals have a soul attached to them or not. Personally don’t think vegans should own pets at all but the whole “they carnivores tho” is rly dumb
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Vegans wouldn’t “Own” someone else. Plenty of vegans rescue other animals and take care of them as wards.
I personally don’t use the word pet when referring to non-human animals in someone’s care.
Why not? That’s the exact scenario the word applies to.
Because I use the same word for human animals and non-human animals. I would call a foster kid my pet. I call them my ward or a ward of the state.
There is not vegan cat food that works just fine, and you’re a fucking asshole if you force an obligate carnivore to become a vegan because of your personal human beliefs.
I’m the asshole for not paying for animals to die?
Makes sense when you actually think about it for more than one second.
/S just incase.
Don’t adopt a carnivore if you’re not willing to meet their biological needs. It’s not a complex solution.
Except I would be meeting their biological needs. Y’all really don’t like understanding science do you?
Cats eat no plant matter naturally. Absolutely none. If you have studies somehow proving that they can live by eating only things that they naturally never eat, feel free to educate me. But as far as I’m aware, attempting to put cats on a vegan diet is animal abuse.
I don’t think they propose feeding your cats literally vegetables, but cat food made specifically for them, containing all the proteins and micronutrients they need, sourced from plant based materials.
Yes, but I am questioning whether such a thing is being produced and actually equivalent. The thread further down cites for example synthetic taurine to be of inferior nutritional value to natural taurine.
This isn’t something I know a lot about, and it’s probably possible to produce vegan cat food with sufficient nutrition somehow, but there’s still a burden of proof that such a thing is actually on the market and shown to not be worse for cats.
Stealing this link from another comment. Apparently it is possible to feed cats vegan food however it’s very involved, difficult and expensive for a multitude of reasons, not just the nutrients. I personally wouldn’t bother, even if I myself was vegan and I’d wager that most people who do try to make their cat a vegan don’t bother to do it the right and healthy way either…
First result for me on “vegan cat food” https://veganpetfood.co.nz/
Second result for “studies on vegan cat food” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37703240/
I agree with you but cats will eat some grasses occasionally.
You agree with someone spouting incorrect statements?
I agree with their overall point, yes.
No! Cats are obligate carnivores. A vegan diet would literally kill them painfully.
https://www.veganforum.org/threads/vegan-cats-age-20-years-old-examples.3455/
I call bullshit on your anecdotal video from deranged people with an obvious agenda.
Cats are carnivores. Forcing a vegan diet on them is animal abuse and anyone who does so should never be allowed to care for animals again.
In the link I sent there are references to plenty of articles. Just scroll down.
Nooooo you don’t understand I have to abuse animals to prove I’m an animal lover. Not paying for animals to be raised in cramped, diseased conditions and killed would make me a bad person. Won’t you please think of the needs of the animals to have other animals abused?
Abuser.
The irony.
Oh yeah? By taking care of my cat and supplying him with food that his body needs I’m an abuser? Because I buy meat based food from a company that buys their meat from a processor that buys their meat from a slaughterhouse that may abuse their animals? I don’t think that’s ironic, I think that’s a stretch.
Some vegans are such clueless pricks.
what do you think happens in a slaughterhouse lmao?
I’m not sure. Please explain it to me, dad.
judging by your snarky reply, i’m guessing you understand how slaughterhouses work.
in your original comment i replied to, you go to great lengths to illustrate how removed you are from the whole process and how uncertain you are that the slaughterhouses are even abusing their animals. if you know what happens in slaughter houses, how could you even entertain the possibility of one existing that doesn’t abuse their animals? they are purpose-built to do exactly that.
Killing does not equal abuse, ie torture. I have no doubt many slaughterhouses do, but that’s not my fault–its my shitty government’s fault for not protecting the animals and funding efforts to do so.
I still have to feed my cat what it needs. I’m a vegetarian, but biologically I’m not and neither is my cat. Unlike my cat, I have the option to become one voluntarily. Thus, meat is murder and yada yada but Mr. Whiskers needs his goddamn catfood.
If I slit the throat of my daughter that would be considered child abuse among many other things.
You pay someone to slit the throat of others. Slitting anyone’s throat without their consent is abuse.
in what world does killing not equal abuse? needlessly taking a living being’s life is one of the greatest abuses one could enact.
“Slaughterhouse that may abuse their animals” Slaughterhouse… Slaughter… House…
And I’m the clueless one…
I’m. Not. Slaughtering. Anything. You want to change the system, be my guest. But it’s a matter of biology, not ethics.
Cats are fucking predators and that’s final. People like you feed newborn babies oat milk and then are shocked when it dies. Indeed, clueless. Give vegans a bad name.
“I pay someone to slaughter someone” = “hurr durr I’m not slaughtering anyone the person I paid to slaughter someone is!”
Yeah pretty much hurr durr
All meat eaters are purposefully keeping themselves clueless.
But vegans who adopt pets they then refuse to feed what they NEED to live aren’t?
I mean you are arguing the exact opposite of what the original post is.
I’ve never researched it before but having read the links on this post, it seems like it is safe to feed your cat a diet that doesn’t consist of meat. Great stuff I say, the world is slowly getting better. Ordering some for my cat now.
So a cat isn’t the right pet for them. Abusing a cat is literally the opposite of caring for an animal.
The fact that this has so many upvotes is upsetting.
Vegans for the animals that own an animal and deny it the choice of food are hypocritical.
Well. My cat gets regular cat food, but I do kinda deny him “the choice of food”. (He’s prone to get diarrhea and gets a specialty food for sensitive stomachs.)
I fail to see how choosing for your cat somehow would he wrong, since literally every cat owner does it. We don’t sent them shopping and accept whatever they bring home.
Sentient beings aren’t food!
Vegan cat food is not just vegetables for the uninformed. It is made to have all the necessary components that a car needs in its diet, mostly it is just missing the death of an animal part.
like motor oil?
And gasoline you fucking idiot can’t you READ
maybe try learn to write first?
Imagine coming into a thread about a comic and being this far off topic. Big L dude.