• queermunist she/her
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    Well it’d have to be suitably public, but a suicide of a street vendor helped kick off the Arab Spring. Mohamed Bouazizi achieved a lot.

    Besides that, if every vote I cast is a vote for genocide, then don’t I deserve to die? Have you listened to the interviews? Have you seen the bodies in the rubble? I’d rather kill myself than support that, and if everything I do supports genocide then I should kill myself. I deserve it.

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      But you’re not voting for Genocide. Noone is giving you that option. Your vote or lack thereof has no effect on whether the US supports Israel’s Genocide of the PalestiniN people. If you want to oppose the genocide, join a march. Put up posters

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        But you’re not voting for Genocide.

        If according to you, the only choices between candidates are one genocider and another genocider, that makes us complicit if we vote for either one. Which we categorically refuse. Trying to cudgel out a vote for your guy will only make me want you genocided.

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        You literally are voting for genocide. You are telling the US government “yes, more of this please”

        You could withhold your vote to put pressure on Biden’s administration. You won’t do that. Biden sees every blue-no-matter-who voter as a guaranteed vote and a reason to not change his policies in any way. They’ve literally said as much! They have said they aren’t worried about elections because Republicans are worse. This is what you’ve created, you voted for it.

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          Nah this is what voter apathy and “my way or nothing” gets you.

          Fascists eagerly ready to vote and do-nothings who just complain online and do absolutely 0 work to get what they want.

          Seems like you have a really well thought out solution though. Can’t see any holes in your logic there, don’t let me stop you.

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            Nah this is what voter apathy and “my way or nothing” gets you.

            This is what voting for Joe Biden got us! I voted for him to stop fascism and now he’s supporting genocide. We’re complicit.

            Do you think you’re blameless? That it’s not your fault? We chose this! It’s our fault that a genocide is happening. We voted for this. Our tax money is blowing up children as we speak. Do you feel no guilt? No shame? No responsibility?

            We chose this. We’re cosigners on this genocide. We voted for this. It makes me want to fucking kill myself.

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              I voted for him to stop fascism

              Has he done that?

              Do you think you’re blameless? That it’s not your fault?

              Relatively? Yeah.

              We chose this! It’s our fault that a genocide is happening. We voted for this. Our tax money is blowing up children as we speak.

              Melodramatic much? Unfortunately the world doesn’t revolve around you or I and we can really only impact the things and people around us. It’s important to recognize the things we can effect and acknowledge that our impact on the greater world may be minimal at times but not to be discouraged.

              Do you feel no guilt? No shame? No responsibility?

              Relatively? No.

              I acknowledge I’m extremely lucky to be born in the “first world” and be fortunate enough to be able to shelter myself and feed myself (for now at least). I actively try to help when I can; that means volunteering, donating (time/money), working a weekend every month or so in your community to try to make it better.

              We chose this. We’re cosigners on this genocide. We voted for this.

              I didn’t vote for this in the primaries or the general, I didn’t work the phone banks or canvas for it so I’m not sure who “we” is.

              It makes me want to fucking kill myself.

              Yeah obviously you’re depressed as fuck, I get it. Don’t do that though, it won’t solve anything and will actually make the world a worse place. I’m actually in therapy working on some things myself, you can PM if you ever want to talk about anything.

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                Myopic settler noise. This kind of monstrosity is EXACTLY why I don’t consider you ally or countryman, and would sell you out the first opportunity I get handed. I hope the genocide comes to your shores next. You (collective, everyone who voted for and cudgels for Biden) are responsible for the misery this nation foists upon the world, and I cannot wait to watch it happen to you.

              • queermunist she/her
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                Has he done that?

                No! He’s doing genocide!

                Relatively? No.

                Why not? You voted for those bombs. You payed for those bombs.

                This is our fundamental disconnect. You don’t seem to think you are responsible for your active support of genocide, yet somehow by not voting for genocide I am responsible. It’s pure ideology.

                • @nomous@lemmy.world
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                  Is every Gazan responsible for the actions of their leadership? Is every Israeli responsible for the actions of their leadership? You’re reducing an incredibly complicated issue to black and white.

                  Don’t get me wrong I’d love for the U.S. to not be involved in the M.E. at all but that’s not the situation we’re working with. You accuse me of ideology while failing to grasp the realpolitik involved. You’re demanding a binary solution to a Base10 problem.

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                    The realpolitik is that the US needs Israel as an unsinkable aircraft carrier to control North Africa and the Middlr East and the Arab Peninsula. It is a critical piece of the empire. That’s why the US supports Israel. It’s all about trade routes and securing hegemony and shit like that.

                    Now, if you aren’t going to take responsibility for voting for Biden, then I’m not going to take responsibility for refusing to vote for Biden. That seems fair.