Israel’s strike on the Jabalia refugee camp has led to more intense pushback from the Biden administration.

The Biden administration requested Israel detail the thinking and process behind the recent strike on the Jabalia Refugee Camp in Northern Gaza, according to a U.S. official, who like others was granted anonymity to discuss sensitive conversations.

“The U.S. asked for an explanation of the first [attack] on Jabalia,” said the official, adding that the conversation was in the context of “asking Israel to do more to avoid civilian casualties.”

  • queermunist she/her
    15·
    8 months ago

    Here is evidence of Hamas telling Palestinians to stay put

    This needs context, because it’s even more complicated. They’re worried about a second Nakba, if Palestinians evacuate they will likely never be allowed to go home.

    Here is evidence of Israel giving 24 hours notice before bombing and saying that the bombings will not stop until all hostages are released

    And zero guarantees that the bombings won’t resume after the hostages are released. Giving up their only leverage would be foolish. By keeping the hostages they are strategically destabilizing Israel, because it makes Israelis unhappy with their government. Knowing your government is going to kill your family has an effect on people, regardless of the reasons.

    Here is evidence that neighboring countries do not want Palestinian refugees

    Again, more complicated. They can’t handle a million+ extra people, especially when they’d be coming with nothing but the clothes on their backs. The burden of a refugee crisis could actually collapse Egypt, they can’t afford this.

    If Israel gave a shit they’d take refugees into Israel itself.

    It’s complicated, but it’s not inexplicable.

    • cozz33@kbin.social
      1·
      8 months ago

      This entire argument was spawned because a commenter pointed out that no, Israel is not going to let a group that effortlessly blends in with the civilian population into their country. Thank you for at least addressing my points. A lot of this comes down to who do you trust? I really don’t trust either side personally, but from all the research I’ve done I’ve found mountains of evidences of intense hatred of Jews in this region long before WWII. I’ve found mountains of evidence pointing towards the land being bought legally prior to the 1948 declaration of war. If you are interested I can provide multiple sources for you about it. I don’t have an agenda and I’d like to see a ceasefire. I just want people to be informed.

      • queermunist she/her
        35·
        8 months ago

        I’ve found mountains of evidences of intense hatred of Jews in this region long before WWII.

        You’re talking about the the First Aliyah, and the anti-Jewish sentiments that arose in response were inherently tied to the Zionist nationalism among the new migrants who wanted to eject Arabs to form a Jewish ethnostate.

        Zionism has always been a racist project. It smears all Jews with the crimes of the Zionist entity and directly and intentionally raises antisemitism around the world, forcing Jews to flee to Israel to become settlers. That’s partly why the global North supports it so strongly - it gets the Jews out of their countries.

        The other reason is it whitens the so-called Middle East by injecting them with American and European settlers, and gives the empire a strong position in the region.

        The racial component is definitely complicated, but Zionism is unquestionably wrong and racist and must be opposed. What is needed is a single multi-ethnic democratic state, not an Arab state or a Jewish state.

        I’ve found mountains of evidence pointing towards the land being bought legally prior to the 1948 declaration of war.

        What? I’m pretty sure the British fucking stole it from the Turkish occupation, the Palestinians never had self determination.

          • cozz33@kbin.social
            11·
            8 months ago

            Forgot to address your final point my apologies. Here is one of many pictures that can be found of Jews purchasing the land https://i.imgur.com/5fYx5Ud.jpg

            What you said about the British stealing it may be true but why place the blame on Jews? The man in that picture doesn’t look British. They bought the land with money they saved up for to flee extermination in Europe.

            • queermunist she/her
              25·
              8 months ago

              Buying stolen land is not legitimate lol

              That’s not about blame, that’s just about nationhood. A nation built on stolen land is always a settler-colony (looking at you Amerikkka)

          • queermunist she/her
            15·
            8 months ago

            The “persecution of Jews in that area for 1000s of years” in your link gives examples of Spanish antisemitism though. You’re doing the thing where you assume all Muslims are Arabs. Also it lists Christians being persecuted alongside them, no sure how you interpret that.

            Now as for racism, it’s not like US racism where there’s a clear dividing line between races with whiteness being the privileged racial class.

            It’s more like colorismo in Latin America, where the lightness of skin correlates with social, political, and economic privileges. There’s a reason why the ruling class in Israel all have light skinned faces and Arabs, even Jewish ones, deal with racial discrimination. A dark skinned Jew will need to prove their Jewishness in ways a light skinned one won’t.

            However it does have a racial component similar to the US; free people of color were considered legally white if they had less than either one-eighth or one-quarter African ancestry, and in Israel you’re considered legally Jewish if you have at least one-eighth Jewish ancestry. Also? Inter-“faith” marriage is illegal, again similar to laws against interracial marriage in the US. Interesting parallels.

              • queermunist she/her
                15·
                8 months ago

                Okay, that’s more relevant. Though the Damascus affair seems to have been instigated by France and Turkey, then spread south later.

                Ibn Farouk, on the other hand, is noted as an outlier and a tyrant who bought his way into power. That hardly means he reflects something common to the region. Also, notably, persecuted Christians and Muslims that pissed him off - just an asshole in general. Weirdly, I can’t actually find anything about him outside of this article and its source The Museum of the Jewish People at Beit Hatfutsot. Strange.

                • cozz33@kbin.social
                  1·
                  8 months ago

                  There’s also this guy https://i.imgur.com/puycOKG.jpg who gave the Nazis widespread support throughout Palestine and even personally assisted in recruiting Muslims to the SS. There’s also this book https://imgur.io/gh1T0AV?r written by the leader of the PLO where he argues zionists wanted an extermination of their own people to make the world feel sorry for them.
                  Here’s another, the Hebron massacre in 1929 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

                  Jew hate for the sake of Jew hate is very well documented in this area. Their own actions and words speak for themselves.

                  • queermunist she/her
                    25·
                    8 months ago

                    Are you unfamiliar with the Haavara Agreement? Zionist do actually intentionally heighten antisemitism around the world specifically so that Jews are forced to become settlers. It’s a very obvious strategy they use, it’s why all anti-Zionism is equated with antisemitism. It wasn’t to ‘make us sorry for them’, though, that’s definitely backwards; it’s to make people hate Jews by smearing them with the crimes of Zionism and promoting antisemitism (they helped create Hamas, did you know that?) and forcing them to flee to the settler-colony.

                    Just another facet of Zionist racism. They push Jew hate to justify their own militarism and brutality and inherently fascistic ethnonationalism.

                    In order for there to ever be a multi-ethnic democratic state in the middle east, Zionism must be left in the dustbin of history.