A chairdre! It’s time to get into the second essay in Transgender Marxism

The PDF is here: https://transreads.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2021-07-15_60f0b3d5edcb7_jules-joanne-gleeson-transgender-marxism-1.pdf

If you missed the intro discussion: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/395378

Now we’re moving on to the second essay, Trans Work: Employment Trajectories, Labour Discipline and Gender Freedom by Michelle O’Brien

Michelle Esther O’Brien is a militant and practicing psychoanalyst living in New York City. She recently graduated from New York University, with a doctoral thesis addressing how political economy and class politics shape LGBTQ organising in post-austerity NYC. Michelle is a co-editor of Pinko magazine, and was previously a social worker in HIV and AIDS services, and the long-time coordinator of the NYC Trans Oral History Project. She is a queer, a mom, and a communist.

As always, I’ll be pulling quotes and making notes.

Feel free to join in the discussion, or just read along and hopefully we all can learn a little something <3

Edit: the discussion continues with the next essay by Rosa Lee here: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/401480

  • Seanchaí (she/her)OPM
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    “Under the white supremacist cultural logic of the US, Black and Chinese men were already considered feminine and appropriate for women’s work. But some of the ocean liner companies prided themselves on maintaining a white workforce, offering an elite experience to a white and racist clientele. Few white men, however, would demean themselves by doing such feminised work. Their employers already considered this type of work somehow ‘queer’.”

    This is an important point to make when looking at intersectionality. The class structure in a capitalist society is adaptive to the demands for labour. When the colonisers were demanding labour from chattel slaves, they didn’t extend the class of “woman” to Black women. They were expected to toil in the fields alongside the men. When the colonisers needed reproductive labour, they didn’t extend the class of “man” to Black men, who were expected to cook, clean, and take care of the house.

    In this way, people of colour have, from the perspective of white, cis het men, always existed as queer bodies. Their need for labour superceded the very gender binary the colonisers invented and imposed in their struggle for primitive accumulation.

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      “It is here that white gender nonconforming effeminate men managed to get a foothold in the industry. These stewards found a solidarity and support among fellow queens, coming to incorporate drag parties, homoeroticism, and soon a defence of gay rights into their work life.”

      “Over workplace struggles through the 1930s, ocean liner service workers formed the Marine Cooks and Stewards Union, bridging these feminised Black men, Chinese men, and white queer men into a Communist-Party-allied militant labour union. These militant workers organised under the slogan ‘No Race-Baiting, Red-Baiting, or Queer-Baiting!’”

      Okay but this is an excellent slogan and uh…I may need to work it into a poster.

      • Seanchaí (she/her)OPM
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        42 years ago

        “Alan Bérubé’s study of the Marine Cooks and Stewards Union inaugurated the growing historical and current literature on what he calls ‘queer work’ – professions and industries where queer people helped each other get jobs, found some space to express their non-normative genders at work, reduced the risks of homophobic attack, and in some cases were favoured by employers. These jobs are those often associated with stereotyped gender roles of one’s opposite gender – specifically blue collar labour for women, and activities like cooking, service, laundry, and food service for men”

        It’s important to note here that, especially as queer white men began to be assimilated into the exploiter class, the types of labour they dominated began to be more acceptable for straight white men to participate in. This is why cooking, for instance, is often considered women’s work (as it’s reproductive labour) when it is done unpaid at home, but most professional kitchens are dominated by men.

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          “The most systematic report on trans Americans available comes from a 2011 survey by the National Center for Transgender Equality, including 6500 respondents. The data on employment was dire: 28% of African-American trans respondents report being unemployed, and 12% of white trans people, compared to 7% of the general population; 15% of all trans respondents were living in extreme poverty, with incomes below $10,000 a year, four times the rate for the general population”

          The essay mentions that there is very little data to be had on the topic of trans employment: it’s a relatively new field of study and one that isn’t greatly funded. It’s also difficult due to the amount of trans people who do not identify as trans in the workplace.

          However the data we do have is bleak. 28% of Black trans people in 2011 unemployed? With the regressive movement against trans people, against diverse hiring practices, and the increase in unemployment in general (where trans employees are often the first fired) it’s hard to imagine what that number is like now. (I will actually look into that, this is a note for myself, I want to dig around for more recent data).

          15% of all trans respondents living in extreme poverty.

          • Seanchaí (she/her)OPM
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            “44% of African-American trans women reported experiences in sex work”

            This is why I don’t think cis men who have never done sex work should be involved in conversations about sex work. Every time that discussion comes up (here and elsewhere) we get an awful lot of opinions from people who aren’t even affected by this. It’s paternalistic as shit.

            I will get riled up about this topic, even though I tried very hard to say very little in the thread earlier because it gets so tiring to have some dude who read an article or two and now thinks they need to dominate conversations on the topic. Until you’ve actually done survival sex work maybe you can sit back and listen and let other people have these very difficult talks.

            There are Marxists already with actual lived experiences who have things to say about this, so you don’t even have to worry that there’s no socialist voices involved.

            • Seanchaí (she/her)OPM
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              42 years ago

              “No law protects trans people against discrimination in 34 American states.”

              Note to self: check up on this figure as well, I wonder if this number’s still accurate. There’s been a lot of anti-trans legislation recently (and also maybe some states passed trans protection laws?? I can hope. . .)

              • Seanchaí (she/her)OPM
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                42 years ago

                “A majority of American employers can openly fire someone on the basis of them being trans.”

                A majority of employers can fire someone for pretty much any reason (or none), of course, but trans people are usually the first to go, and it almost never has anything to do with job performance.

                • Seanchaí (she/her)OPM
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                  42 years ago

                  “Communists and Marxists have long recognised that the kinds of work we do shapes not only the kind of misery we face, but also how we are able to organise. Workplaces determine where we are able to exert power through disruption, and the kinds of relationships of support and solidarity we are able to build with each other. How we work shapes how we can engage in class struggle.”

                  This exclusion of trans people (who by their very nature are predisposed to radicalisation against capitalism and class hierarchy) also excludes trans people from a large portion of organisation.

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                    42 years ago

                    “These cases are all trans women of colour who are relatively out as trans or gender non-binary in their work; all faced discrimination and anguish in their work – but the differences in their stories reveal a lot about trans work trajectories.”

                    So now we’re going to look at three separate trajectory cases of openly trans women of colour and their experiences in the workplace.

              • Seanchaí (she/her)OPM
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                22 years ago

                By the end of 2021, at least 130 bills had been introduced in 33 states to restrict the rights of transgender people.

                In 2022, over 230 anti-transgender bills were introduced in state legislatures in a coordinated national campaign to target transgender rights.

                Yeah, so unsurprisingly more bleak than the time of publishing.

          • Seanchaí (she/her)OPM
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            22 years ago

            The National Center for Transgender equality is currently compiling a 2022 survey that aims to be their most comprehensive yet, so we’ll be able to see the most recentest data of all once those findings are published.