• queermunist she/her
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    11 months ago

    If there were still wages they would only be something extra as a reward, rather than something workers need to live.

    Personal property, remember?

    It’s not unimaginable for there to be no wages at all, though. No one has to pay me to clean my house, cook my food, or grow my own garden. No one had to pay me to help clean up the trailer park when we were hit by a huge storm that knocked down a bunch of trees. Truly voluntary work for no reward other than good feelings and social esteem shouldn’t be underestimated.

    That’s… probably not something that would be realistic for people like us who grew up under wage slavery, though. We probably do need rewards to do truly difficult work because we’ve been traumatized by our material conditions to associate working hard with suffering.

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      11 months ago

      The economy is a bit more complicated than fixing up a trailer park buddy… Also, the fact that there are people who only want to do the bare minimum, dont want to help their neighbours and such makes your fairytale utopia collapse. Yes, it sucks that people are greedy and lazy but thats simply what people are. You’ll never change that and that’s why communism always failed when it was attempted.

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        Misanthropy. Humans wouldn’t have gotten this far if we were all greedy selfish assholes. That’s the result of trauma of living under capitalism.

        Communism never fails on its own. It is hunted down and destroyed by the US lol

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          11 months ago

          Throughout written human history there are mentions of greedy people.

          Yugoslavia wasn’t destroyed by the US. Im sure there are more examples. Also, your system is not that great if it can be so easily destroyed by a foreign intervention.

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            11 months ago

            lol you think the Cold War had nothing to do with the collapse of Yugoslavia? Or that the Cold War was easy for the US to win?

            okay bud

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              11 months ago

              I am from Croatia. You are from US. Please, educate me about the fall of Yugoslavia.

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                Yugoslavia was literally and directly backed by the US to oppose the Soviets and when the USSR was defeated Yugoslavia also broke up. It didn’t all happen at the same time, of course, but those things are pretty obviously connected. Or do you think that was a coincidence?

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                  Yugoslavia was trying (and failing) to sit in both chairs at the same time, same like Serbia is doing today between Russia and the west. You seem extremely uninformed about the subject. The reason why the breakup began after the fall of Soviet Union is because Soviet Union would provide a big support to JNA in case of any unrest, and any effort at seperation would be ended quickly. HVO and other militaries only had a chance after the Soviets were out of the picture.

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                    11 months ago

                    Yugoslavia was being propped up as a buffer state by both sides (more the US than the USSR but they both contributed) and once the Cold War became irrelevant there wasn’t anyone propping them up. That’s it.