• AntiOutsideAktion
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    2 months ago

    You’re separating government from the capitalists and I don’t think that’s an accurate way of looking at the world. Capital will eat itself even more voraciously than it does right now without some mediating force on itself. Government isn’t a hedge against capitalism that mediates its excesses. It is a PART of capitalism that mediates its excesses. The anti-trust act wasn’t for us; it was for them.

    But the reality that capitalism is a fundamentally unstable system can’t be fixed by blunting it. And as the rate of profit goes down, the very restraints that capital put on itself to ensure its survival must be destroyed in pursuit of that profit.

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      2 months ago

      i think most legislation is explicitly for the capitalist class. that much we probably agree with

      but i do think every once in a while, when there is a ton of pressure and the elites are scared, they throw a bone to the working class.

      it happened with the antitrust act, it happened with the New Deal, and it happened in the 1960s with the Civil Rights era and the end to Vietnam

      yes, capitalism will eat itself. it’s what we’re essentially seeing right now in slow motion. but there is something there in democracy beyond just capitalism. even if it’s buried deep down and impotent

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        2 months ago

        it happened with the antitrust act, it happened with the New Deal, and it happened in the 1960s with the Civil Rights era and the end to Vietnam

        The thing that ties all of these exceptions together is the immediate threat of ideologically organized revolutionary cadres mobilizing the masses into a socialist revolution

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          yeah exactly. when the system is about to blow up, they turn a valve and release a little steam

          that’s one of two paths we are headed towards today. the pressure is building up. we either need to turn the valve soon OR we’re gonna blow up

          i have a feeling though we’re headed for the explosion route

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            2 months ago

            yeah exactly. when the system is about to blow up, they turn a valve and release a little steam

            Not once it gets to that point. The release valve of elections is a hedge against this kind of thing happening in the first place.

            Those movements were resolved by murdering their leaders and imprisoning their organizers for several decades.

            I guess it’s best to say they do both at the same time