With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.

“With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.”

  • bloodfart
    23·
    2 months ago

    Surely you can state your case without resorting to insults?

    It would be a real bummer if you were only trying to browbeat and shame people into voting how you like!

    • buddascrayon@lemmy.world
      31·
      2 months ago

      By extension you are enabling Donald Trump. So, quite frankly, insults are required.

      If more of you “conscientious objectors” actually showed up to vote we could actually start working on the Democratic party and trying to shape it better by pushing for more progressive candidates within the party. Instead you’re giving meat to the right by leaving the vote tallies at too close to call numbers while Jill Stein gets her not even 5% of the vote and then walks home with all those juicy endorsements which she will spin into nice fat paid lectures. All the while holding us in this pattern of continually fighting against the absolute evil that is conservativism. We are fighting for a better world, while you are throwing a tantrum.

      • bloodfart
        23·
        2 months ago

        Wait, my vote for PSL won’t be counted for trump so how do I enable trump?

        I’m also literally talking about voting not staying home, so idk what you mean by showing up to vote.

        Pushing the democrats left has never worked in my lifetime and possibly ever. It’s especially dubious when the democrat candidate has carved out explicitly right wing dare I call them fascist positions on the border, Gaza and elsewhere.

        As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m a big hater of the greens. You don’t have to convince me that they’re a directionless triangulation meant to make money.

        • buddascrayon@lemmy.world
          11·
          2 months ago

          Pushing the democrats left has never worked in my lifetime and possibly ever.

          Several very progressive candidates are currently serving in Congress now. And Bernie Sanders is now on several powerful senate committees that have the influence to make real changes. But he needs backup. They all do. And neither the the green party nor the PSL are going to provide that. Because they have literally no one in any office in Washington.

          So yeah, your vote is as ineffective as if you didn’t bother voting. So I treat it as though you didn’t bother voting. But in the media you’re going to be part of that statistic that sits over to the side of the screen pointing out all the people who could have helped Kamala Harris win if she ends up losing to Trump. Which I really hope she doesn’t but this race is far closer than I would prefer. Which is why I am, quite frankly, very angry at people like you. Because instead of helping you give us sophistry.

          • bloodfart
            22·
            2 months ago

            Wow, those “progressive” (scare quotes to indicate that it’s your description, not that they’re not progressive, whatever that means) candidates must be really shifting the democrats left! Why I bet their presence on committees is causing the democrats to take very far left positions with regard to the genocide and the border!

            Oh, they’re not causing any such thing? The Harris campaign is shifting rightward to try and pick up trump voters?

            Must have been the wind and not over fifty years of party policy…

            If PSL or some other group needs people in Washington, how would you recommend they get them? Perhaps we could vote them in?

            Surely a vote towards getting those groups the people in Washington they need couldn’t be considered ineffective?

            But if my vote is so ineffective then why do the democrats need it? Surely they can get by without my weak, statistically insignificant, ineffective vote!

            I genuinely hope that there’s a huge third party turnout and the media does highlight it. How great would it be to have the democrats execute a real turn towards leftist policy because they know that they need those voters?

            If you really want to feel angry: I will personally probably never vote democrat again. That’s not a recent change, last time was ‘12 and even then I was avoiding specific figures like Biden. There’s still a chance that they could develop a little history of not baiting and switching on left policies and run a platform I’d be willing to support within my lifetime, but I don’t see it happening.

        • Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.world
          29·
          2 months ago

          Dude, it’s not about the Greens. It’s that this sub hates all of us who aren’t voting for Harris. They’ll accuse of wanting Trump to win, of being trolls, etc.

          All because we aren’t voting for the Duopoly. Good to see another socialist voter!

          Stay strong, brother.

      • Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.world
        110·
        2 months ago

        Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!

        • buddascrayon@lemmy.world
          21·
          2 months ago

          Oh yeah you turned that argument right back around on me. It’s not like there’s millions literally millions of liberal voters out there who don’t even know who Jill Stein is much less will likely vote for her or any other third party candidate for that matter.

          • Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.world
            111·
            2 months ago

            I’m not voting Jill Stein. But I stand by what I said. And if there are “literally millions of liberal voters out there who don’t even know who Jill Stein is” then you have nothing to worry about, right?

            So if you have nothing to worry about, and so many people don’t even know who Jill Stein is, then why are you so mad? Shouldn’t concern you at all, right?