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At the center of the debate are key changes in the language used to describe Zionism, the movement that called for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in what is now Israel.

The 2023 version of the page framed Zionism as a nationalist movement born in the 19th century that sought to secure Jewish self-determination.

In contrast, the 2024 version of the entry introduces more charged terminology, describing Zionism as an “ethno-cultural nationalist” movement that engaged in “colonization of a land outside of Europe,” with a heightened focus on the resulting conflicts with Palestinian Arabs.

“Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible,” it reads.

  • GarbageShootAlt2
    3·
    2 months ago

    The claim the other person was making was very, very obviously not the absurdity you represent it as.

    The residents of Palestine were peacefully coexisting Jews, Arabs, and Muslim descendants of the bronze-age indigenous people before the inception of Zionism by the British Empire in the early 1900s.

    Nowhere does this say “were peacefully coexisting since the bronze age,” it says “these populations that descended from groups there since the bronze age were, during some period of time prior to zionism, peacefully coexisting.”

    There are other problems with what you said, e.g. I wouldn’t blame the indigenous Christian inhabitants for the Crusades, but I don’t really want to get into this, I just want to point out that you wildly misrepresented your interlocutor.

    • Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.eeEnglish
      11·
      2 months ago

      Okay, so then i’ll focus on the specific claim of right during/before the early 1900s everyone was peacefully coexisting.

      Sure, near the end of the ottoman empire there was a very brief period where there was some coexistence. Very brief.

      • Drop Bear@theblower.au
        3·
        2 months ago

        “near the end of the ottoman empire there was a very brief period where there was some coexistence” @Lets_Eat_Grandma

        For centuries, Muslims, Christians and Jews shared Palestine. How “peaceful” that was is debatable. That Palestinians of all creeds had homes on those lands is beyond dispute.

        Then, the Zionists started arriving. They wanted to be the Master Race of the region. That’s the problem.

        @GarbageShootAlt2
        @palestine
        @israel

        #IsraelPalestineConflict
        #Israel
        #Palestine
        #WarCrimes
        #CrimesAgainstHumanity
        #genocide

        • Cataphract
          1·
          2 months ago

          This format of hashtags and @ is new to me on here, but then again I don’t think I’ve seen a theblower.au commenter before. Are you having to type all of that out when you finish your reply or does it auto pull context and tag it for you? seems like a lot of work and not sure on the reasons to categorize the replies like that.

          • Drop Bear@theblower.au
            1·
            2 months ago

            TheBlower is an Australian mastodon instance @Cataphract
            Mastodon and Lemmy are both parts of the Fediverse (using the ActivityPub protocol), so they communicate. Integration is pretty horrible, but improving.

            Strings beginning with @ are mastodon addresses (or lemmy addresses translated by a mastodon interface). Mastodon copies across addresses and can autocomplete additional ones.

            On mastodon, you can follow hashtags, so they play a substantial role. On the desktop, it’s fairly easy to copy/paste. Most mobile app’s are terrible, so hashtags tend to be neglected.

            #Fediverse
            #ActivityPub
            #lemmy
            #mastodon