• UltraGiGaGigantic
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    4 days ago

    Wouldn’t the state also be in the frame before the capitalist at the end?

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      3 days ago

      I’m an ML but no, states are more fundamental than capitalism. There were states prior to capitalism and they will likely exist after capitalism, but capitalism cannot exist without a state as the special apparatus of class oppression.

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        As an ML though you could argue that states are downstream of the economic circumstances that force their development