• Cowbee [he/him]
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    19 days ago

    Like, can you give an example? Additionally, these are all moderate liberal platforms.

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      19 days ago

      Sure. Here’s a list of some of the bills she introduced to congress when she was in:

      https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678

      Personally though I’m fond of her Back On Track program from back when she was AG if I remember right, where nonviolent offenders could get out of jail time and get their records expunged if they enrolled in education or got a job.

      And yea we could quibble on what “progressive” means if we wanted, but we risk just getting into no true scottsman stuff. In my view, people that want to improve the existing system with steady movement forward qualify as progressive. This is in opposition to the neolib dem faction that does not want to progress forward, and instead just wants to keep to the Bill Clinton direction of the party.

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        19 days ago

        Thanks for the source.

        Either way, it seems we disagree with what we count as progressive. Harris seems intent on carrying through the Party Line of the DNC, and not moving an inch leftward, ergo she’s not appealing to leftists but less extreme fascists. She isn’t even campaigning on ceasing arms to Israel or even Medicare for All, it’s just continued liberalism.

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          19 days ago

          I agree, she is not campaigning on those things. But like I said earlier, I don’t believe in listening to rhetoric, it’s just too unpredictable when campaigning and governing within our legal governmental structure are such different things.

          If she could deliver medicare for all, then perhaps I’d be happy to see it as a campaign issue. But delivering that without more progressive congress seats would be impossible, when both the repubs and neolib dems would oppose it. This would make it an empty campaign promise.

          Regarding Gaza, I hope she does shift after the election, but I do not mind her saying what she has to say to win the office first.

          A key thing to note is that there is no static DNC line. While the neolibs do outnumber us in most places, if we got more progressive officials in this would change. All we have is a handful of reps in the Squad and a couple senators though, that’s not good enough.

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            19 days ago

            I think there’s a discrepancy here, I’m a Communist, not a Liberal. There’s nobody in the DNC nor GOP that represents me, not even the squad. Even then, the Squad is regularly shut down by the Party at large, and forced to toe the Party Line.

            There’s discrepancy within the DNC, but there’s also an overarching line to hold, and Capitalist donors to appease.

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              19 days ago

              I agree, you have virtually no representation in our federal govt, your numbers are just too small. The closest would be Bernie, and he’s not even a member of the dem party. He still supports capitalism too, just with stronger regulation and a robust social safety net, paid for by taxes.

              You’re to the left of mainstream American progressives, basically. Which should make sense when Marx argued for revolution, not reform.

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                19 days ago

                Yes, so I am skeptical when I hear you say Harris is “progressive” when she is running on even harsher border control and “the most lethal military in the world.”

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                  19 days ago

                  Like I said, I do not believe in listening to rhetoric. Words are cheap. Actions are meaningful. I don’t care what she runs on, she could run on launching all our nukes at Florida and I still would not listen very much.

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                    19 days ago

                    I agree, but based on her voting record she is a tepid liberal, and based on her words she will continue to be so.