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    Ah, yes, the United States famously only interferes in fascist countries and not for benefit of plutocrats.

    Also, which demsoc countries are you talking about where the means of production are controlled by the working class?

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      What kind of argument is that? You’ve literally reiterated the spirit of this meme and directed it towards the U.S. The question was name a country that has instituted communisim successfully. As for part 2, you live in a fantasy that worker controlled production can exist without any administration or bureaucracy, ie. centralization. This right here is what true socialism has failed at repeatedly. Name one successful example.

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        You don’t seem to know what democratic socialism means.

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          Oh, here come the uppity remarks, I am a dual citizen of a country with a socialist party, thanks for the down-the-nose leer in my direction without providing any education.

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            Good for you. Does the working class control the means of production in your country?

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              Look man, does it ever? Did you know that it’s impossible to do so until we find a way to automate administrative duties?

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                Do you think clerical workers aren’t workers or what the fuck even is it you’re saying?

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                You seem to be conflating anarcho-syndicalism with all other forms of socialism.

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            Is that socialist party in power? Is it actually socialist, or does it just call itself that? Because a lot of European “socialist” parties aren’t; most are liberal social welfare parties at best.