Authorities have released shocking video that shows a white police officer in Illinois shooting a Black woman – who called police in fear of a home intruder – in the face, killing her.

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    2 months ago

    Just basing things on a general anecdotal impression isn’t a good thing to do on either side, I don’t think.

    Fair, but I remain unconvinced there has been meaningful change even as I acknowledge your point. We KNOW what the starting point was. If I’m to be convinced it has changed, I think the burden is on those (not necessarily/specifically you) who are telling me it has.

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      This and this are probably the best overviews I could find about what has and hasn’t changed. It’s a little frustrating though – it’s hard to find something substantial about “okay yes but what has the result been.”

      And, the things I could find about the result sometimes used very weird metrics (like lumping together all police shootings without making any effort to distinguish justified shootings from unjustified or attempting to determine what percentage were unjustified in order to point to whether that number is going down or not).

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        (like lumping together all police shootings without making any effort to distinguish justified shootings from unjustified or attempting to determine what percentage were unjustified in order to point to whether that number is going down or not).

        I’m going to really frustrate you anyway because although I acknowledge that some shootings are justified, I also don’t trust how they are categorized since (to my knowledge) this categorization is determined by the content of the police reports themselves, and so would require me to believe that every false report was caught out and none slipped through.

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          Hm, that wasn’t what I was talking about wanting to see. To me, what would be good to see would be a breakdown of, starting from the total number of shootings or use-of-force incidents in any given year:

          • How many the agency didn’t release bodycam footage for
          • How many we got the bodycam footage and it looked justified
          • … it looked debatable
          • … it looked unjustified

          That’s a fuck of a lot of work, which is presumably why we don’t see it. But that to me would be a good way to analyze whether things are actually working.

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            But that to me would be a good way to analyze whether things are actually working.

            I agree, and to put my cynical hat on again, I think would be the job for the oversight teams that (to my knowledge) cops throw a tantrum about whenever they come up, and which I don’t think are widely implemented, or not effectively implemented in many cases.