• CableMonster
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    3 days ago

    They correctly feel that nato is an anti soviet/russian union. Why should they not be concerned about it getting on their border?

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      What is NATO doing to interfere with Russia’s domestic operations and sovereignty? Ukraine is not Russia, so Russia should have no say in the matter just because they’re next to each other.

      Same thing would apply if Ukraine were to invade Russia. Ukraine would have no business doing so.

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        Putting arms near their border… This has been a known problem since the cuban missle crisis.

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          I’m also curious how annexing a country and extending your borders to countries already in NATO solves that problem?

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          And what history does NATO have of using their arms for offensive purposes, rather than defense?

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            A really big history… Take a peak at what countries are in nato and realize they have a long history of being directly in conflict with Russia/Soviet Union.

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                Or directly fighting them and having a 40 year long cold war. Maybe most of those countries have been in direct war with russia in recent memory.

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                  Or maybe Ukraine isn’t the aggressor here and Putin is proving why Ukraine wants to be in NATO

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                    Ukraine is not the aggressor, I never said it was. What I will say is that this was was 100% preventable with the promise that Ukraine would not join nato. It was a known red line, and it was crossed. “BUT UKRAINE CAN DO WHAT IT WANTS!!!” Great, and NATO can directly say we dont want a conflict and we dont want Ukraine to be a part because we know it is a line that will likely trigger a war.