The more we don’t tip the more it becomes normalized. I’ve stopped tipping all counter service other than bartenders. At first I felt guilty but the more I did it the more it became normal to me.
What a mindfuck. At one point you/I/we are blindly making assumptions about what the human on the other side of the counter is thinking - or being egotistical enough to believe the employee’s transaction with me (and the potential $1) was of any significance to them.
My guess is that the decision makers/consultants at that business are aware of these potential reactions - if they’re any good at being greedy, they’ve dug far deeper. They just play the game of guilt to get the patron to subsidize employee wages.
Because if the tips aren’t enough to make ends meet for the employee, it’s the customer’s fault.
Sometimes I disengage from my personal viewpoint and marvel at the complexity of it all. Using humanity against itself for personal profit without incurring a proportional amount of public disdain. Then I resume being disgusted.
We have sooooo much potential as a community. I would give literally anything (of myself - not of the ones I care about) for a star trek future. But I also like Dune, The Expanse, Foundation…
Final thought - I’m rewatching 2000’s battlestar atm and it made me wonder:
If humanity has an AI war and we won - how could we ever prevent someone/some thing creating a new homegrown AI later? We almost have to merge at some level?
If I recall correctly, there was a bug in the McDonald’s order screens that allowed one to remove almost everything from a burger, and get enough negative money to buy another burger with it.
I sort of get it though. Who in their right mind would actually try to buy the cheeseburger bread. Just the bread, without any of the cheeseburgery parts.
That’s how these bugs features get overlooked.
Put a button for $1 and I’ll hit it all day. And I know that ain’t the person behind the register deciding, but if I get ice cream for my family and it costs 35 fucking dollars because that’s how much fucking things cost these days, I’m not throwing you 15-25% in tip, let’s be realistic. Put a $1, $2 option and I honestly think you’ll have more luck.
Not to old man this shit, but I scooped ice cream at a restaurant/ice cream place for 5.25 back in 2004. You know how I earned tips? I played a game with customers, let me and the girl I’m working with guess questions about your life and we will give you a free size upgrade. People frequently played along, we had fun, fucked over the owners a bit (they sucked), it was really a win/win.
So I got fired for threatening to report them for withholding employee checks. They had a bunch of 15-19 year olds closing one night, maybe five or six of us, and one of the ice cream freezers got turned off. Someone’s honest mistake, a bunch of ice cream melted, sucked, but they said okay, we’re just going to withhold all your paychecks, and I said fuck no you’re not, and proceeded to threaten reporting. In the end, me and my coworkers all got our $27 paychecks, but I lost my job. I am by no means a hero, was just a little belligerent as a kid, and it felt like a good opportunity to really dial in the belligerence.
What service am I tipping for? Making the food and handing it to me isn’t a service, that’s the expectation. If they did any less I would be making the food.
Handing it to you is an exchange of goods, but making food is a service. Yes, even if they just microwave something for you. I don’t think tipping for that particular service is usually warranted either, but foodservice is kind of literally called that
The ‘making the food’ and ‘handing it to you’ is the price of the good. A tip is for how well they do that service and the atmosphere and experience they provide in the exchange.
If you have counter service and don’t clean up the table after me, there isn’t much opportunity for you to have good enough service to warrant a tip.
I only tip when they provide a service. If the service sucks I usually leave a small tip or nothing and if it is good service that makes my day I leave a bigger tip.
Everyone should follow the tipping guidelines from the olden days of when I was a child (80’s). I was taught that you tip your server, your barber/stylist, your driver (taxi/delivery) and the bell boy/valet. For the most part this still works today.
20% used to make you a damned hero. Now they act like you’re short changing them. I’m not tipping someone for running a fuckin cash register. I’ve actually started paying cash again just to avoid this whole emotional trap bullshit.
pay extra for meh is just brilliant. you’re all brainwashed to subsidize companies paying their own workers and act like this is remotely normal or acceptable.
The more we don’t tip the more it becomes normalized. I’ve stopped tipping all counter service other than bartenders. At first I felt guilty but the more I did it the more it became normal to me.
What a mindfuck. At one point you/I/we are blindly making assumptions about what the human on the other side of the counter is thinking - or being egotistical enough to believe the employee’s transaction with me (and the potential $1) was of any significance to them.
My guess is that the decision makers/consultants at that business are aware of these potential reactions - if they’re any good at being greedy, they’ve dug far deeper. They just play the game of guilt to get the patron to subsidize employee wages.
Because if the tips aren’t enough to make ends meet for the employee, it’s the customer’s fault.
Sometimes I disengage from my personal viewpoint and marvel at the complexity of it all. Using humanity against itself for personal profit without incurring a proportional amount of public disdain. Then I resume being disgusted.
We have sooooo much potential as a community. I would give literally anything (of myself - not of the ones I care about) for a star trek future. But I also like Dune, The Expanse, Foundation…
Final thought - I’m rewatching 2000’s battlestar atm and it made me wonder:
If humanity has an AI war and we won - how could we ever prevent someone/some thing creating a new homegrown AI later? We almost have to merge at some level?
Anyways, sorry if you read this. Be well
Custom: -25%
Imagine if someone fucked up the code and this worked.
If I recall correctly, there was a bug in the McDonald’s order screens that allowed one to remove almost everything from a burger, and get enough negative money to buy another burger with it.
That’s is so excellent. Good to know QA is non-existent in many facets of life haha
I sort of get it though. Who in their right mind would actually try to buy the cheeseburger bread. Just the bread, without any of the cheeseburgery parts. That’s how these
bugsfeatures get overlooked.I feel like if you make point of sale systems, any time you’re adding negative values, you really ought to make sure you can’t cheese it haha
But I’m so glad they did, thanks for sharing.
Everyone should get their personal tip app that we can show the person at the counter. “Would you like to give me some tip for buying your goods?”
Which would be annoying for the cashier who probably had no say in this and probably doesn’t see any of those tips.
Oh, returning customer bonus!
Put a button for $1 and I’ll hit it all day. And I know that ain’t the person behind the register deciding, but if I get ice cream for my family and it costs 35 fucking dollars because that’s how much fucking things cost these days, I’m not throwing you 15-25% in tip, let’s be realistic. Put a $1, $2 option and I honestly think you’ll have more luck.
Not to old man this shit, but I scooped ice cream at a restaurant/ice cream place for 5.25 back in 2004. You know how I earned tips? I played a game with customers, let me and the girl I’m working with guess questions about your life and we will give you a free size upgrade. People frequently played along, we had fun, fucked over the owners a bit (they sucked), it was really a win/win.
I was eventually fired.
Fired for doing the free upgrades?
So I got fired for threatening to report them for withholding employee checks. They had a bunch of 15-19 year olds closing one night, maybe five or six of us, and one of the ice cream freezers got turned off. Someone’s honest mistake, a bunch of ice cream melted, sucked, but they said okay, we’re just going to withhold all your paychecks, and I said fuck no you’re not, and proceeded to threaten reporting. In the end, me and my coworkers all got our $27 paychecks, but I lost my job. I am by no means a hero, was just a little belligerent as a kid, and it felt like a good opportunity to really dial in the belligerence.
The lesson here is to report them without telling them.
You tip if you like the service. It is rude to not tip.
However, I’m not tipping someone I’ve never met. I only tip after they have provided some service to me
What service am I tipping for? Making the food and handing it to me isn’t a service, that’s the expectation. If they did any less I would be making the food.
Handing it to you is an exchange of goods, but making food is a service. Yes, even if they just microwave something for you. I don’t think tipping for that particular service is usually warranted either, but foodservice is kind of literally called that
Then charge for that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They do.
Then no need to tip! Good job team, we got the answer!
The ‘making the food’ and ‘handing it to you’ is the price of the good. A tip is for how well they do that service and the atmosphere and experience they provide in the exchange.
If you have counter service and don’t clean up the table after me, there isn’t much opportunity for you to have good enough service to warrant a tip.
What’s rude is quoting me a price for your goods and services and then expecting me to a higher price anyway.
it’s rude not to give people money in exchange for… checks notes … nothing?
yeah ok, let me send you my PayPal cause you don’t want to be rude to me
I only tip when they provide a service. If the service sucks I usually leave a small tip or nothing and if it is good service that makes my day I leave a bigger tip.
you already pay for the service. it’s called the price.
the fact that you said you still tip when the service sucks is indicative of how dumb this whole thing is.
Everyone should follow the tipping guidelines from the olden days of when I was a child (80’s). I was taught that you tip your server, your barber/stylist, your driver (taxi/delivery) and the bell boy/valet. For the most part this still works today.
20% used to make you a damned hero. Now they act like you’re short changing them. I’m not tipping someone for running a fuckin cash register. I’ve actually started paying cash again just to avoid this whole emotional trap bullshit.
pay extra for meh is just brilliant. you’re all brainwashed to subsidize companies paying their own workers and act like this is remotely normal or acceptable.
Out of those things, I only tip the server. Though, I don’t valet park so that’s really why I don’t tip them.
This, but everyone should be an above average tipper.
(Yes, I know.)
The best thing about McDonalds is no tips.
The best thing about McDonald’s is eating somewhere else