I am Arab . Islam doesn’t justify hatred towards a group or individual because they sin,( as long as no one is getting harmed) . Arabs generally don’t believe that either, except if they happen to be twisted individuals. Not being welcomed doesn’t equal hate.
You’re conflating two different things here. Arabs are an ethnic group, Islam is a religion. In any religion, what it actually says doesn’t matter (or Christians would still be looking up the going rate of a slave in the bible), what people believe matters.
24% of the world is Muslim, and they are incredibly diverse. Ranging from people who want the heads of heathens on spikes, to wonderful open-minded people, and everything inbetween. To reiterate, Islam is bigger than just Arabs.
Generally speaking, Arab countries tend to not have the best track record for inclusiveness, to put it lightly.
Don’t forget that a major portion of the United States equates being American with being Christian. Biases run deep and tend to spillover into adjacent portions of the population.
As i said… A muslim community/ society naturally would not accept an LGBTQ person inside their community and its (obviously) for their sake (better than the punishment , which actually really only applies to true Muslims who take their religion seriously) … Then they can find another community to belong to…
Problem Solved.
What you said about killing and such does not reflect Islam.
We don’t hate you we just don’t want to ever see you or have you involved in anything related to us, and if you do we’ll “punish” you. Do you really think there aren’t LGBTQ Muslims?
I know there is a small percentage of LGBTQ Muslims in the arab world…
Most probably keep it a secret except for their partner (if they have any)…
And they are wise to keep it a secret if they live in a muslim country…
But its nothing personal really, its basically just to avoid stress on the community and potential disasters… I explained the concept to another user under this post too…
No pleease… Arab governments are just as wicked and evil as other governments around the world… Also arab people hate their governments, the recent example is for not actually supporting and defending Palestine.
so, first I appreciate that you don’t want to torture me to death.
If you belive being lgbt is a sin, that’s your thing. But you can see, why people could have a problem with your views, right?
I have my biases as well, mostly against religios people (especially muslims), but I still think they are welcome to my country (as long as no harm is caused), because they’re still human beings, because I think it’s wrong to not welcome an inocent human being no matter what group they belong to.
or you could just go to to another planet without breathable atmosphere, the problem here is, that I want to welcome every human being into my country, but that’s not possible if that makes me not welcome in my country anymore. I just belive everyone should be welcome everywhere
Humans are very different from one another …
What one community (who just have barely enough in common to become a community theirselves) , (chances are), will not be compatible with other outside communities…
So as a practical scenario, introducing a person who doesn’t meet the minimum requirements (standards) will introduce too much stress in a community in the long run, taking into consideration that any community is already stressed because of disputes happening among their selves…
As an important side note , countries today don’t actually live as a community, but rather, under a secular regime… and even if this regime claims it applies religious laws, it doesn’t…
Because it is only through the twisted eyes of the elite…
The laws of religion can only be applied in a real community ecosystem where the people can only survive by serving one another in a decentralized manner…
I am Arab . Islam doesn’t justify hatred towards a group or individual because they sin,( as long as no one is getting harmed) . Arabs generally don’t believe that either, except if they happen to be twisted individuals. Not being welcomed doesn’t equal hate.
You’re conflating two different things here. Arabs are an ethnic group, Islam is a religion. In any religion, what it actually says doesn’t matter (or Christians would still be looking up the going rate of a slave in the bible), what people believe matters.
24% of the world is Muslim, and they are incredibly diverse. Ranging from people who want the heads of heathens on spikes, to wonderful open-minded people, and everything inbetween. To reiterate, Islam is bigger than just Arabs.
Generally speaking, Arab countries tend to not have the best track record for inclusiveness, to put it lightly.
Don’t forget that a major portion of the United States equates being American with being Christian. Biases run deep and tend to spillover into adjacent portions of the population.
If you read my comment carefully, you would notice i used the word “ either” implying that ; I DO KNOW ARABS AND ISLAM ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
We don’t hate you, we just think you’re an abomination and will kill you if you enter our country! Two totally different things!
As i said… A muslim community/ society naturally would not accept an LGBTQ person inside their community and its (obviously) for their sake (better than the punishment , which actually really only applies to true Muslims who take their religion seriously) … Then they can find another community to belong to… Problem Solved. What you said about killing and such does not reflect Islam.
We don’t hate you we just don’t want to ever see you or have you involved in anything related to us, and if you do we’ll “punish” you. Do you really think there aren’t LGBTQ Muslims?
I know there is a small percentage of LGBTQ Muslims in the arab world… Most probably keep it a secret except for their partner (if they have any)… And they are wise to keep it a secret if they live in a muslim country… But its nothing personal really, its basically just to avoid stress on the community and potential disasters… I explained the concept to another user under this post too…
Yeah you keep explaining that you’re a bigot over and over
But we are totally okay with you doing that to others as long as it advances our ideology’s cause!
Ah geez that makes me feel much better now that I know that Arab societies don’t hate me, I’m simply not welcome /s
(and if I was born in countries like Qatar, I’d still be thrown into torture prisons)
No pleease… Arab governments are just as wicked and evil as other governments around the world… Also arab people hate their governments, the recent example is for not actually supporting and defending Palestine.
Yeah, it kinda does though. It’s just “being nice about it”.
so, first I appreciate that you don’t want to torture me to death.
If you belive being lgbt is a sin, that’s your thing. But you can see, why people could have a problem with your views, right? I have my biases as well, mostly against religios people (especially muslims), but I still think they are welcome to my country (as long as no harm is caused), because they’re still human beings, because I think it’s wrong to not welcome an inocent human being no matter what group they belong to.
I got a -6 for that comment… I suppose Lemmy’s community is just as sick as Reddit’s….
No, actually I have no idea why people would have a problem with this view… please enlighten me…
because it’s in most peoples moral compass, that every human being should be welcome
Trust me there are no threats in the foreseeable future… If half the world is Muslim people territory, you could just go to the other half…
or you could just go to to another planet without breathable atmosphere, the problem here is, that I want to welcome every human being into my country, but that’s not possible if that makes me not welcome in my country anymore. I just belive everyone should be welcome everywhere
Humans are very different from one another … What one community (who just have barely enough in common to become a community theirselves) , (chances are), will not be compatible with other outside communities…
So as a practical scenario, introducing a person who doesn’t meet the minimum requirements (standards) will introduce too much stress in a community in the long run, taking into consideration that any community is already stressed because of disputes happening among their selves…
As an important side note , countries today don’t actually live as a community, but rather, under a secular regime… and even if this regime claims it applies religious laws, it doesn’t… Because it is only through the twisted eyes of the elite… The laws of religion can only be applied in a real community ecosystem where the people can only survive by serving one another in a decentralized manner…