At a military base that now doubles as a detention center in Israel’s Negev desert, an Israeli working at the facility snapped two photographs of a scene that he says continues to haunt him.
The sources include American funded orgs who can’t be trusted to tell you the colour of the sky and who are currently engaged in an active and ongoing, actual, real genocide.
The sources include western sources, but they are not limited to. Also, I have seen similar arguments when people would try to downplay Israel’s atrocities towards Palestinians. Both on the source front (Qatar-run Al Jazeera) and on the semantics of both the usage and meaning of genocide.
No. There are no internment camps. The UN didn’t even claim this. There were schools were people were trained and educated because that’s the best response to the American terrorist ideologies they’d been propagandised with. It has been the most successful anti-terrorism programme in recorded history.
Right right, “Re-education” camps. Making callbacks both to what the US did to the Japanese (and other Asians) back in 1942 and the War on Terror starting from 2001. No similarities here! Not. A. Single. One.
Adrian Zenz
Zenz is not the first one to introduce the idea that the Uyghurs are being oppressed, nor does his character have an impact on what is and isn’t real. With that said, what I see against Adrian Zenz is very reminiscent of the smear campaigns against academics/activists/spoke-persons that are at odds, oppose, or threaten the entity in power. The purpose of which is to discredit the person in question so that people look past what they say and the evidence they present.
I’m not going to bother reading Jones’ tripe. I’m very familiar with his poison.
I am sure you are.
I have a lot more information if you’re interested?
Please do. Send me yours, and I will send you mine. Seeing widespread denial of the oppression against Uyghurs by leftists is actually quite a shock to me, so I am interested in what is being said, what is being presented. I am going to be brutally honest though, from what I have read and watched thus far, from you, from others, I am seeing Americans just by a different name. Whether it be denial or justification, the beats are all the same.
The sources include western sources, but they are not limited to.
They are only limited to western sources.
I have seen similar arguments when people would try to downplay Israel’s atrocities towards Palestinians.
There’s mountains of evidence for US/Israel’s genocide. There is zero credible evidence for this fake one. They’ve even taken down the wikipedia page because it looks ridiculous an allegation in comparison.
Right right, “Re-education” camps.
That’s just a western slur. China never used that phrasing.
Zenz is not the first one to introduce the idea that the Uyghurs are being oppressed, nor does his character have an impact on what is and isn’t real.
Zenz was paid by the BBC to come up with these allegations. He refused. They offered him more money and then he agreed. He’s open about this.
With that said, what I see against Adrian Zenz is very reminiscent of the smear campaigns against academics/activists/spoke-persons that are at odds, oppose, or threaten the entity in power. The purpose of which is to discredit the person in question so that people look past what they say and the evidence they present.
This is a man who openly states that he’s been sent on a mission from god to rid the world of homosexuality and communism. Characterising criticism of his objectivity as a “smear campaign” is ludicrous.
Please do. Send me yours, and I will send you mine.
April 19, 2021: “Break Their Lineage, Break Their Roots”- China’s Crimes against Humanity Targeting Uyghurs and Other Turkic Muslims
“This report was prepared with the assistance of the Stanford Human Rights & Conflict Resolution Clinic”
The next three links are from Qatar media, well known for its bias against China. No evidence is presented. The second article refers to a dump of AI generated images provided by Zenz as its only source. The third one says the UN says something could be “potentially” happening.
We express our firm opposition to relevant countries’ practice of politicizing human rights issues, by naming and shaming, and publicly exerting pressures on other countries. We commend China’s remarkable achievements in the field of human rights by adhering to the people-centered development philosophy and protecting and promoting human rights through development. We also appreciate China’s contributions to the international human rights cause.
When allegations are made, the World Bank takes them seriously and reviews them thoroughly. In line with standard practice, immediately after receiving a series of serious allegations in August 2019 in connection with the Xinjiang Technical and Vocational Education and Training Project, the Bank launched a fact-finding review, and World Bank senior managers traveled to Xinjiang to gather information directly…The team conducted a thorough review of project documents, engaged in discussions with project staff, and visited schools directly financed by the project, as well as their partner schools that were the subject of allegations. The review did not substantiate the allegations.
Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat’s delegation upon invitation from the People’s Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People’s Republic of China.
The recently published report also brings forth some interesting facts related to the religious freedom as opposed to the western propaganda. The report provides a strong testimonial by the visiting delegates who clearly state, “the in houses of worship such as the Id Kah Mosque in Kashgar, modern facilities abound, providing water, electricity and air conditioning. Local clerics told the visitors that their religious activities had been very well protected”. “The conditions here are very good,” said Abdelhalim Elwerdany, of Egypt’s Al-Gomhuria newspaper. “I could feel that local Muslims fully enjoy religious freedom.”
Up to 5,000 ethnic Uighurs from China’s violence-prone far western region of Xinjiang are fighting in various militant groups in Syria, the Syrian ambassador to China said on Monday, adding that Beijing should be extremely concerned about it.
“It’s necessary to timely remove radical phrases that discriminate against Islam and are biased against Muslims to prevent worsening online hatred towards the group. Those phrases severely undermine religious harmony and ethnic unity,” said Xiong Kunxin, a professor at Beijing’s Minzu University of China in Beijing.To achieve national unity and social stability, ethnic minorities including Hui and Uyghur people enjoy favorable policies including receiving extra points in China’s college entrance examinations, more lenient family planning policies and securing a certain ratio of positions in government.
The same Zenz believes now that he is on a god given mission against China, as quoted in the Wall Street Journal. This is in line with his promotion of the belief the world is at the “end of times”. The mainstream media would have undoubtedly crucified anyone with these kinds of views, which may be indisputably described as hatred, prejudice and bigotry. Yet instead, because he is a zealous anti-Communist voice, he is instead presented as an infallible “expert” who ought never to be questioned and his actual views are never given scrutiny or critique.
Bonus: Zenz hilariously claims that “Taking things out of context is a typical misinformation tactic.”
Thank you for sharing your sources. There is quite a lot to unpack, so it will be some time before I can read and assess them all thoroughly.
One thing that has stuck out to me like a sore thumb was the article concerning the report from the Egyptian media delegates visiting Xinjang. The the Egyptian government is a corrupt dictatorship that is brutally oppressive towards the Egyptian people, the most recent iteration having come to power by overthrowing its first democratically elected leader via coup de d’état. They are traitors to Muslims and are antithetical to the Palestinian cause, so anything that comes from that wretched goverment or its tightly controlled media should be given almost the same level of scrutinty as any coming from Israel. The same also applies for Syria.
In some of the articles mentioning the Ughyur terrorists/extremists, the Ughyur themselves are claiming to have been radicalized by religious repression. I wonder why they feel that way.
Many of your other sources do seem credible, and the claims against Human Rights Watch are both damning and explain some of the bullshitry that has been coming from them since October. The twitter posts you linked also seem credible in that they are combating some very egregious cases of misinformation–a staple of the online age.
These are just my thoughts so far, should I remember, I’ll get back to you later. Once again, thank you for sharing your sources.
A careful examination reveals that these accusations are closely linked to a decades-long, multi-pronged assault by U.S. imperialism on Muslims and perceived Muslims throughout Asia, Northern Africa, and the U.S. This strategy has included providing ultra-right Islamic groups with weapons, military training, and financial support in Muslim-majority countries as a policy of destabilization, then characterizing all Muslims as a terrorist threat, and finally using this as the justification both for the oppression of Muslims at home, and the invasion and occupation of Muslim-majority countries abroad.
Of course, as we all know, one of the greatest disasters of politicization of intelligence that occurred even before the Iraq war was over the politicization of intelligence on the Soviet Union…Levivier also interviewed a CIA analyst about the role of the Mujahedin. This CIA agent said ``The policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them against our adversaries worked marvelously well in Afghanistan against the Red army. The same doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter the Chinese influence in Central Asia.‘’
The Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM) is an organization which has used violence to further its aim of setting up an independent so-called “East Turkistan” within China. Since its establishment, ETIM has maintained close ties with the Taliban, Al-Qaida (QDe.004) and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (QDe.010). It was founded by Hasan Mahsum from Xinjiang, China, who was killed by Pakistani troops in October 2003. ETIM is currently led by Abdul Haq (QDi.268), who was also a member of Al-Qaida’s Shura Council as of 2005.
Around one-in-four (26%) also describe China as an enemy of the United States – almost double the share who said this when the question was last asked in 2012…As the U.S. imposes sanctions on Chinese companies and officials over Beijing’s treatment of Uighurs and other minority groups – after originally resisting these actions – the American public appears poised to support a tough stance. Around three-quarters (73%) say the U.S. should try to promote human rights in China, even if it harms bilateral economic relations.
You said that Xinjiang is butchering systematically the Uyghur culture, but where is your evidence? The constitution of the People’s Republic of China stipulates that the state protects the lawful rights and interests of every ethnic group, and helps ethnic minority regions achieve a faster pace of economic and cultural development. Xinjiang has put a lot of efforts into the protection, inheritance and promotion of each ethnic minority’s culture. Courses on ethnic minority languages are provided by all the schools under the compulsory education system…Your claims that Xinjiang is terminating Islamic beliefs and that Chinese government severely persecutes believers of various religions are not based on facts at all. It is a longstanding basic policy of the Chinese government to respect and protect the freedom of religious belief. Xinjiang has never associated the crackdown on terrorism and extremism with any specific ethnic group or religion. The local government of Xinjiang protects the normal religious activities and fulfills the reasonable religious demands of believers in accordance with the law. In Xinjiang, there are 24,400 mosques and 29,000 religious clerics. There are 10 religious colleges including the Xinjiang Islamic Institute, enrolling more than 1,300 students annually. In Xinjiang, for every 530 Muslims there is one mosque, a figure that exceeds many Muslim countries.
The sources include western sources, but they are not limited to. Also, I have seen similar arguments when people would try to downplay Israel’s atrocities towards Palestinians. Both on the source front (Qatar-run Al Jazeera) and on the semantics of both the usage and meaning of genocide.
Right right, “Re-education” camps. Making callbacks both to what the US did to the Japanese (and other Asians) back in 1942 and the War on Terror starting from 2001. No similarities here! Not. A. Single. One.
Zenz is not the first one to introduce the idea that the Uyghurs are being oppressed, nor does his character have an impact on what is and isn’t real. With that said, what I see against Adrian Zenz is very reminiscent of the smear campaigns against academics/activists/spoke-persons that are at odds, oppose, or threaten the entity in power. The purpose of which is to discredit the person in question so that people look past what they say and the evidence they present.
Please do. Send me yours, and I will send you mine. Seeing widespread denial of the oppression against Uyghurs by leftists is actually quite a shock to me, so I am interested in what is being said, what is being presented. I am going to be brutally honest though, from what I have read and watched thus far, from you, from others, I am seeing Americans just by a different name. Whether it be denial or justification, the beats are all the same.
April 19, 2021: “Break Their Lineage, Break Their Roots”- China’s Crimes against Humanity Targeting Uyghurs and Other Turkic Muslims
May 14 2021: The faux anti-imperialism of denying anti-Uighur atrocities
May 24 2022: Xinjiang leak reveals extent of Chinese abuses in Uighur camps
September 1 2022: Potential ‘crimes against humanity’ in China’s Xinjiang, UN says
They are only limited to western sources.
There’s mountains of evidence for US/Israel’s genocide. There is zero credible evidence for this fake one. They’ve even taken down the wikipedia page because it looks ridiculous an allegation in comparison.
That’s just a western slur. China never used that phrasing.
Zenz was paid by the BBC to come up with these allegations. He refused. They offered him more money and then he agreed. He’s open about this.
This is a man who openly states that he’s been sent on a mission from god to rid the world of homosexuality and communism. Characterising criticism of his objectivity as a “smear campaign” is ludicrous.
This is basically a DoS attack on the reader. No evidence is provided in this tome of nonsense from an organisation renowned as being a revolving door for American intelligence assets.
“This report was prepared with the assistance of the Stanford Human Rights & Conflict Resolution Clinic”
The next three links are from Qatar media, well known for its bias against China. No evidence is presented. The second article refers to a dump of AI generated images provided by Zenz as its only source. The third one says the UN says something could be “potentially” happening.
A UN Resolution of global south nations:https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17
World Bank Investigation of Xinjiang:https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china
Organization of Islamic Cooperation praises Chinese handling of Xinjiang:https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250
http://www.inp.net.pk/china-lauds-oics-resolution-on-xinjiang/
Egyptian media delegates visit Xinjiang: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/430738-egyptian-media-delegates-provide-a-detailed-insight-of-the-situation-in-xinjiang
CIA agent caught disseminating propaganda via Reddit AMA:https://medium.com/@bobbyarlan/a-reddit-ama-claiming-to-be-a-uiyghur-quickly-exposes-a-cia-asset-slandering-china-1d667c098b77
https://web.archive.org/web/20181207031224/https://www.isi-consultants.com/rushan-abbas/
China has reason to be concerned with Uyghurs returning from fighting for Al Qaeda and the Islamic State:https://jamestown.org/program/returning-uighur-fighters-and-chinas-national-security-dilemma/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/3/1/isil-video-threatens-china-with-rivers-of-bloodshed
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-china/syria-says-up-to-5000-chinese-uighurs-fighting-in-militant-groups-idUSKBN1840UP
Malaysia has their own de-radicalization camps that receive praise on BBC news:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poTDSEQwoZA&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=BBCNews
Response to Xinjiang:https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=130&v=EovpQE6dZeE&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=NathanRich
Some real-site photos of satellite images:https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1208288.shtml
China bans anti-Islamic language on social media:https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1067405.shtml
The UN did not report China has ‘massive internment camps’ for Uighur Muslims:https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/
Xinjiang: Facts vs Fiction:https://leohezhao.medium.com/xinjiang-facts-vs-fiction-bdc2aa403c91
An investigation into Adrien Zenz:https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/
https://chollima.org/who-is-adrian-zenz-the-christian-fundamentalist-leading-the-global-xinjiang-narrative/
Bonus: Zenz hilariously claims that “Taking things out of context is a typical misinformation tactic.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/adrianzenz/status/1168165266313875457?lang=en
Thank you for sharing your sources. There is quite a lot to unpack, so it will be some time before I can read and assess them all thoroughly.
One thing that has stuck out to me like a sore thumb was the article concerning the report from the Egyptian media delegates visiting Xinjang. The the Egyptian government is a corrupt dictatorship that is brutally oppressive towards the Egyptian people, the most recent iteration having come to power by overthrowing its first democratically elected leader via coup de d’état. They are traitors to Muslims and are antithetical to the Palestinian cause, so anything that comes from that wretched goverment or its tightly controlled media should be given almost the same level of scrutinty as any coming from Israel. The same also applies for Syria.
In some of the articles mentioning the Ughyur terrorists/extremists, the Ughyur themselves are claiming to have been radicalized by religious repression. I wonder why they feel that way.
Many of your other sources do seem credible, and the claims against Human Rights Watch are both damning and explain some of the bullshitry that has been coming from them since October. The twitter posts you linked also seem credible in that they are combating some very egregious cases of misinformation–a staple of the online age.
These are just my thoughts so far, should I remember, I’ll get back to you later. Once again, thank you for sharing your sources.
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https://www.piped.video/watch?v=poTDSEQwoZA&feature=piped.video&ab_channel=BBCNews
https://www.piped.video/watch?t=130&v=EovpQE6dZeE&feature=piped.video&ab_channel=NathanRich
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And more…
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1292893910973452289
Further myth-busting:https://aboutchina.carrd.co/#xinjiang
https://web.archive.org/web/20180821032854/https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1564669932542581
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/hzphui/every_uyghur_allegation_debunked_as_of_2020_july/
https://twitter.com/j_bigboote/status/1182726991675625472?s=21
https://twitter.com/ethan_parallels/status/1151153694517260288?s=21
How voluntary birth control can be turned into forced sterilization:https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193454.shtml
A look at Chinese policy in regards to ethnic minorities: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1004884261051092993.html
Celebration of Uyghur culture:http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/19/c_136455823.htm
US public gets alternative reality of events:https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/in-xinjiang-controversy-china-is-the-target-of-u-s-violence-against-muslims/
A documentary on fighting terrorism in Xinjiang:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT57tZrqWDQ&list=WL&index=9&t=1258s&has_verified=1&bpctr=1614318338&ab_channel=CGTNAmerica
The US funds Uyghur separatists through organizations such as the NED:https://www.ned.org/wp-content/themes/ned/search/grant-search.php?organizationName=®ion=Asia&projectCountry=China&amount=&fromDate=&toDate=&projectFocus%5B%5D=&search=&maxCount=10&orderBy=CountryR&start=1&sbmt=1
https://mobile.twitter.com/nedemocracy/status/1337063301113581568?lang=en
The 9/11 Commission Final Report: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRECB-2005-pt18/html/CRECB-2005-pt18-Pg24156.htm
This illustrates the ‘pivot to Asia’ strategy for containing socialism:http://www.socialistaction.net/2020/08/27/u-s-militarism-toward-china-is-part-and-parcel-of-american-hegemony-syndrome/
Further military context:https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/articles/what-is-to-be-done
The US removes the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement from the Terrorist Exclusion List:https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/11/05/2020-24620/in-the-matter-of-the-designation-of-the-eastern-turkistan-islamic-movement-also-known-as-etim-as-a
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/12/13/turkestan-islamic-party-desires-to-be-a-national-liberation-movement-after-us-de-blacklist/
UN Security Council on ETIM:https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sanctions/1267/aq_sanctions_list/summaries/entity/eastern-turkistan-islamic-movement
Americans now also blame China for epidemic:https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/07/30/americans-fault-china-for-its-role-in-the-spread-of-covid-19/
Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation:https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang
Nearly 100 scholars and religious leaders in Xinjiang refute Pompeo with joint letter:https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1158473.shtml
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202102/1214579.shtml
Go back and rewatch the BBC coverage of the deradicalization program in Malaysia.
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