And I explicitly said that there’s nothing wrong with therapy of itself. Meanwhile, Foxconn is a Taiwanese capitalist company last I checked. Not sure what that has to do with communism in your mind.
Nope, that’s just a straw man you’re making because you don’t have any actual counterpoint. What I’m actually saying is that mental health problems caused by capitalism should be treated by dealing with capitalist exploitation that causes these problems instead of papering over them using drugs. Evidently this is too complex a concept for you to comprehend, so only thing you can do is bleat about communism while providing further examples of capitalist exploitation like Foxconn.
Obviously capitalism has problems, and obviously fixing them would help. But its not like depression would end. And its not like people in China arnt depressed and if psychedelic therapy was used there to help people, I don’t think you would be shittalking it. The foxconn factory I’m talking about is in shenzen, so why don’t you advocate for psychedelic therapy there? Clearly the horrors of capitalism are also ravishing China, so do they not benefit from psychedelics?
Nobody is arguing that depression would end. Again, this is just the straw man you keep trotting out here. Try engaging with what’s actually being said for a change.
Im legitimately trying to understand why you think psychedelic therapy is bad…
you say its papering over the root cause of mental illness, while simultaneously acknowledging that removing the so called “root cause” would still leave a need for it. so why then is it not a good thing? why is the title of your post not: “psycadelic therapy helps americans, its time to bring it to china!”
It seems obvious your prerogative is to shittalk everything done in the US while papering over the same exact issues in china.
I don’t think that psychedelic therapy is bad, and I’ve repeatedly stated this throughout the conversation. Please actually read what I wrote, and then reply to the points I actually made. Thank you.
Yogthos was insinuating that people in the perfect country of china don’t need therapy, (and continued to do so in the reply) so I pointed out several cultures that are being genocided in china, suggesting that they could use therapy.
There are zero “cultures that are being genocided” in China. Tibetans were under serfdom and brutal theocracy before liberation by the PLA, and since have seen a rise in living standards in addition to preservation of culture. For Uyghurs, China responded to US-backed terror with educational facilities and yet Uyghur culture is propped up and praised by the CPC in media in addition to representation in communities.
Lol the Chinese government kidnapped and imprisoned-for-life a six-year-old kid because he was the next tibeten spiritual leader!
And it was to free them from serfdom? Surprise! China is a serfdom! That is the dumbest excuse in the world! It was because the head waters of their rivers are there… Saying it was a liberation is just propaganda.
And the Uyghur reeducation centers are just like the jewish reeducation centers the nazis setup in Poland.
You will overlook genocide to turn your nose up at therapy.
Holy nonsense. The same Dalai Lama (THE Tibetan spiritual leader) has been alive since the liberation of Tibet, you don’t even know what you’re conveying. Also how can you say the child was imprisoned for life when we don’t know his whereabouts? His naming as the Panchen Lama was outside of customs and China may have taken him out of the situation so he couldn’t be exploited.
Thanks for admitting you were being dishonest about his condition. China is not a dictatorship. You have no idea how their system works. There are committee elections at all levels where delegates are selected by the people (with tiers leading to the NPC), and the CPC (~1 in 10 eligible as members) leadership is determined by democratic centralism with elections at party committees and congresses up to the Central Committee.
I’m not denying the holocaust, your denying another genocide!
It’s not a genocide. Not only has nobody been killed (except by the US-backed terror attacks), Uyghur culture is uplifted in the media and on the ground. People have to rely on the shoddy research [1] [2] of a bigoted Christian nationalist that works for a US government foundation started by Nazi collaborators (Zenz), awful reports by the BBC where they are let into education facilities and openly distort information, and numerous NED-funded orgs or MIC thinktanks whose evidence amounts to nothing.
Regarding the former, Adrian Zenz and James Mulvenon (former member of the U.S. state adjacent Council on Foreign Relations and member of the National Committee on United States - China Relations, which along with the Defense Group Inc.—of which he is vice-president–provides military policy planning and assessments to the United States Government) affirmed some anonymously leaked ICIJ “China Cable” Documents, one of which is a top-secret telegram which the ICIJ describes as:
“…from the Communist Party commission in charge of Xinjiang’s security apparatus. The telegram, written in Chinese, is an operations manual for running the mass detention camps. It is marked ‘secret’ and was approved by Zhu Hailun, then deputy secretary of Xinjiang’s Communist Party and the region’s top security official.”
Clearly what we have here is a document meant for only the highest levels of the bureaucracy, one which will divulge the actual thought process and rationale behind re-education policy, and cannot be construed as propaganda.
The document begins with a set of guidelines for running the facilities. First is “[to] ensure that the training venue is absolutely safe].” The guidelines follow:
“It is strictly forbidden for police to enter the student zone with guns, and they must never allow escapes, never allow trouble… never allow food safety incidents and major epidemics, and they must ensure the training center is safe and free of risk”
“Through letter writing, phone calls, video chats, visits, meetings, etc., establish a mechanism for students and relatives to interact with each other, to that the ensure students will have a phone conversation with their relatives at least once a month, to make their family feel at ease and the students feel safe.”
“…every effort should be made to fix employment work for completed graduates to ensure the smooth development of students with employment aspirations. For those who don’t have the ability to work and have difficulties in life, it is necessary to coordinate grassroots organizations to seriously carry out assistance and relief work, and effectively solve practical difficulties.”
There are further notes on strict time management, preventing earthquakes and fires, and also measures to surveil all areas. These seem comparable to prisons, which is in line with the highest facilities being reserved for radicalized terrorists (bulletin No. 20 deals with those spreading violent propaganda / those who have joined terrorist organizations). When considering that the United States promoted terrorist radicalization in Xinjiang, such things lose isolation. The document outlines a very strict process, but one not mentioning forced anti-religious practices such as consuming pork or alcohol [The Independent 29 May 2018], organ harvesting [Falun Gong cult allegations], forced labor [U.S. Dept. of Labor], or physical abuse/torture (again, we cannot make a case of propaganda, because these are again purportedly top-secret documents).
And I explicitly said that there’s nothing wrong with therapy of itself. Meanwhile, Foxconn is a Taiwanese capitalist company last I checked. Not sure what that has to do with communism in your mind.
Well maybe the tibetans or the uyghurs could probably use some therapy then
Ah yes, they need all that therapy from their lives improving each and every year. You make an excellent point kiddo.
You’re unironically saying that only people in capitalist countries need therapy and people under communism simply don’t get depressed?
Nope, that’s just a straw man you’re making because you don’t have any actual counterpoint. What I’m actually saying is that mental health problems caused by capitalism should be treated by dealing with capitalist exploitation that causes these problems instead of papering over them using drugs. Evidently this is too complex a concept for you to comprehend, so only thing you can do is bleat about communism while providing further examples of capitalist exploitation like Foxconn.
Obviously capitalism has problems, and obviously fixing them would help. But its not like depression would end. And its not like people in China arnt depressed and if psychedelic therapy was used there to help people, I don’t think you would be shittalking it. The foxconn factory I’m talking about is in shenzen, so why don’t you advocate for psychedelic therapy there? Clearly the horrors of capitalism are also ravishing China, so do they not benefit from psychedelics?
Nobody is arguing that depression would end. Again, this is just the straw man you keep trotting out here. Try engaging with what’s actually being said for a change.
Im legitimately trying to understand why you think psychedelic therapy is bad…
you say its papering over the root cause of mental illness, while simultaneously acknowledging that removing the so called “root cause” would still leave a need for it. so why then is it not a good thing? why is the title of your post not: “psycadelic therapy helps americans, its time to bring it to china!”
It seems obvious your prerogative is to shittalk everything done in the US while papering over the same exact issues in china.
I don’t think that psychedelic therapy is bad, and I’ve repeatedly stated this throughout the conversation. Please actually read what I wrote, and then reply to the points I actually made. Thank you.
What do you mean by this?
Yogthos was insinuating that people in the perfect country of china don’t need therapy, (and continued to do so in the reply) so I pointed out several cultures that are being genocided in china, suggesting that they could use therapy.
There are zero “cultures that are being genocided” in China. Tibetans were under serfdom and brutal theocracy before liberation by the PLA, and since have seen a rise in living standards in addition to preservation of culture. For Uyghurs, China responded to US-backed terror with educational facilities and yet Uyghur culture is propped up and praised by the CPC in media in addition to representation in communities.
Lol the Chinese government kidnapped and imprisoned-for-life a six-year-old kid because he was the next tibeten spiritual leader!
And it was to free them from serfdom? Surprise! China is a serfdom! That is the dumbest excuse in the world! It was because the head waters of their rivers are there… Saying it was a liberation is just propaganda.
And the Uyghur reeducation centers are just like the jewish reeducation centers the nazis setup in Poland.
You will overlook genocide to turn your nose up at therapy.
Holy nonsense. The same Dalai Lama (THE Tibetan spiritual leader) has been alive since the liberation of Tibet, you don’t even know what you’re conveying. Also how can you say the child was imprisoned for life when we don’t know his whereabouts? His naming as the Panchen Lama was outside of customs and China may have taken him out of the situation so he couldn’t be exploited.
And that comparison is Holocaust denialist slop.
Yeah, they “saved him and he’s living on a farm and doesnt want to be contacted”
Or he’s dead, who knows, that’s the thing with dictatorships.
I’m not denying the holocaust, your denying another genocide!
Thanks for admitting you were being dishonest about his condition. China is not a dictatorship. You have no idea how their system works. There are committee elections at all levels where delegates are selected by the people (with tiers leading to the NPC), and the CPC (~1 in 10 eligible as members) leadership is determined by democratic centralism with elections at party committees and congresses up to the Central Committee.
It’s not a genocide. Not only has nobody been killed (except by the US-backed terror attacks), Uyghur culture is uplifted in the media and on the ground. People have to rely on the shoddy research [1] [2] of a bigoted Christian nationalist that works for a US government foundation started by Nazi collaborators (Zenz), awful reports by the BBC where they are let into education facilities and openly distort information, and numerous NED-funded orgs or MIC thinktanks whose evidence amounts to nothing.
Regarding the former, Adrian Zenz and James Mulvenon (former member of the U.S. state adjacent Council on Foreign Relations and member of the National Committee on United States - China Relations, which along with the Defense Group Inc.—of which he is vice-president–provides military policy planning and assessments to the United States Government) affirmed some anonymously leaked ICIJ “China Cable” Documents, one of which is a top-secret telegram which the ICIJ describes as:
“…from the Communist Party commission in charge of Xinjiang’s security apparatus. The telegram, written in Chinese, is an operations manual for running the mass detention camps. It is marked ‘secret’ and was approved by Zhu Hailun, then deputy secretary of Xinjiang’s Communist Party and the region’s top security official.”
Clearly what we have here is a document meant for only the highest levels of the bureaucracy, one which will divulge the actual thought process and rationale behind re-education policy, and cannot be construed as propaganda.
The document begins with a set of guidelines for running the facilities. First is “[to] ensure that the training venue is absolutely safe].” The guidelines follow:
“It is strictly forbidden for police to enter the student zone with guns, and they must never allow escapes, never allow trouble… never allow food safety incidents and major epidemics, and they must ensure the training center is safe and free of risk”
“Through letter writing, phone calls, video chats, visits, meetings, etc., establish a mechanism for students and relatives to interact with each other, to that the ensure students will have a phone conversation with their relatives at least once a month, to make their family feel at ease and the students feel safe.”
“…every effort should be made to fix employment work for completed graduates to ensure the smooth development of students with employment aspirations. For those who don’t have the ability to work and have difficulties in life, it is necessary to coordinate grassroots organizations to seriously carry out assistance and relief work, and effectively solve practical difficulties.”
There are further notes on strict time management, preventing earthquakes and fires, and also measures to surveil all areas. These seem comparable to prisons, which is in line with the highest facilities being reserved for radicalized terrorists (bulletin No. 20 deals with those spreading violent propaganda / those who have joined terrorist organizations). When considering that the United States promoted terrorist radicalization in Xinjiang, such things lose isolation. The document outlines a very strict process, but one not mentioning forced anti-religious practices such as consuming pork or alcohol [The Independent 29 May 2018], organ harvesting [Falun Gong cult allegations], forced labor [U.S. Dept. of Labor], or physical abuse/torture (again, we cannot make a case of propaganda, because these are again purportedly top-secret documents).