• flying_sheep
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    5 months ago

    What do you mean? Don’t you think transitioning to mostly renewables while coal and gas go down are good things?

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      5 months ago

      Nuclear is affordable, efficient and proven. Abandoning it instead of promoting it was a dumb, conservative move that hurt everyone involved. Except Russian billionaires, of course.

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        5 months ago

        Nuclear power is expensive and slow to build. Wind and solar are much, much cheaper and quicker.

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          They already had it and it was working just fine. They tore it down and went full coal and some gas. Now wind and solar are taking over slowly, but it’s been years with more pollution and more radiation than any already working nuclear plant would have emmited.

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            That’s true. The original plans for phasing out nuclear energy encompassed huge investments in renewable energy. The government Merkel II then decided to keep using nuclear and not invest in renewables, then decided a year later to leave nuclear again without investing in renewables. That little maneuver not only cost huge amounts of compensation for the big energy companies but also nuked (haha) the German wind and solar industry to the ground.

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                The old reactors could have been used until their end of life, yes. The effects are exaggerated though. Nobody was going to build new ones. Not even France who rely heavily on nuclear energy has new reactors.

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          this ignores the key issue that in Germany, there was already an extensive and perfectly functional nuclear industry. In other countries with no nuclear infrastructure, renewables are definitely the better, cheaper, more scalable choice - but countries which invested big many decades ago are in a different position, and Germany’s deliberate destruction of their nuclear capabilities has left them dependant on fossil fuels from an adversarial state - easily a worse situation than small amounts of carefully managed nuclear waste while renewables were scaled up.

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            this ignores the key issue that in Germany, there was already an extensive and perfectly functional nuclear industry.

            Shhh… anti-nuclear don’t want to hear this. They’d rather project, even though people are talking about how stupid closing down the current nuclear infrastructure and not advocating to build new ones!

            I don’t support building new nuclear power plants, but it’s ridiculous to close down already existing ones given the threat of climate change. NPP should act more like stop gap until renewable energy can take over more effectively.

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              5 months ago

              I answered a very similar comment a little further down:

              https://feddit.de/comment/9599367

              I’m not claiming it was smart to leave nuclear before coal. It wasn’t. But it is what happened and it was decided two decades ago. Nuclear is done in Germany and there is no point discussing it further. New reactors were not going to happen either way.

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      The idiots on here firmly believe that nuclear creates zero waste. In their deranged head there is no nuclear waste that will last for longer than humanity existed.

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        All coal from the Earth has a radioactive component to it. Burning coal releases more radiation into the atmosphere than a properly functioning nuclear reactor ever does. Fly ash from coal fired power plants contains 100 times more radiation than nuclear power plants emit.

        The idiots on here apparently also think that burning coal somehow doesn’t create waste that will last for longer than humanity has existed.

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            Germany could have eliminated coal a decade or more ago. That’s an important point to bring up.

            I agree it’s too late now for nuclear to make sense, but that was a lost decade of coal emissions.

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              It would be of the discussion was nuclear vs coal - which it isn’t.

              You’re bringing up the straw man because you want turn away the discussion from renewables.

              There’s good discussion to be had on the (complex) situation in Germany but it’s immediately flooded by the nuke-bots.

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                The discussion may not have been nuclear vs coal, but the reality was. That’s the whole problem.

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                  2 x No it isn’t. I know you love your precious precious nuclear to death and back and you really really need to discuss coal to better shill for it. Nobody cares about your religion and your straw man.

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                    “Nuh uh!”

                    Okay whatever lol. Deny reality all you want. More nuclear = less coal, it’s very simple math. Anyone not blinded by “scary nuclear!” can see it.