sure i was, and? An altered state of consciousness is just that, an altered state of consciousness. Whatever revelations found in that are in a way the same as sober ones, because there aren’t any answers in nature, just whatever we come up with. What’s the harm in feeling like something, anything, makes sense? Even if it’s just a fleeting feeling
I was high, and I saw myself dissolving into the universe and became one with it for a while. And that feeling was beautiful, gave me a perspective I’ll never forget, and quite frankly changed my life for the better
I’m sure you had fun, and if you think that improved your life then good for you. But my point is that whatever revelation you had while tripping is no deeper than what anyone has when they reflect on their lives a bit while sober. You identify with this meme not because whatever “great gnosis” you had is impossible to describe to us mere mortals, but because it really is that simplistic. The only reason you think of it so highly is because your senses were going wild while thinking it.
Plus the whole “one with the universe” talk sounds very pseudosciency to me and i’m not sure if you’re just being metaphorical or you believe in magic now, so sorry if that’s not the case.
oh i’m aware, i’m not going about starting drug cults because i saw god or anything, i knew the “part of the universe experiencing itself” from Buddhist philosphy before tripping. But during my psychadelic experiences i could feel it (no i didn’t read any philosphy right before it, sure i was aware of it but this is a rather universal experience with or without phisophical background). But i do disagree on the “but because it really is that simplistic”, man, without experiencing it there is no way to truly understand, countless people (psychonauts) have attempted to describe it, and all of those descriptions pale in comparison to the experience. It’s like trying to describe colour to a blind person.
it’s not science, it’s closer to philosphy than anything. I don’t belive in magic, but i do belive in a unity of all beings with the universe, i mean, we are objectively a part of it, made of all the same stuff, just awake
Drugs are much like tools (for they are tools). One may use them for good. One may use them for bad. One may specialise in them. One may be inexperienced with them. Workflows can connect well with one person, but be detrimental or impractical for another person. People simply function differently.
Judge not how one makes progress, but if progress has been made.
Well i’d argue that feeling something isn’t exactly gnosis then. Doesn’t matter how awesome you felt if the extent of your revelation is "i exist and i’m part of the universe’
Call me cynical but hearing druggies talk about their trips like it’s some transcendental super knowledge sounds just like a facebook aunt talking about the power of healing crystals to me or some such nonsense.
Calling anyone who’s ever had a psychedelic experience a “druggie” is extremely judgemental. Unlike crystals, the point of psychedelics is the experience itself, and I can assure you it’s very real. But that makes me a “druggie” right? Seems like you think the only people qualified to comment on psychedelic experiences are the ones who know nothing about them because they’ve never had one.
I’ve no problem wih drugs or even psychedelics, but the moment you start acting like you’re a buddhist monk because you took acid once is when i’ll start rolling my eyes.
Mate, you’re not “one with the universe”, you were just high.
sure i was, and? An altered state of consciousness is just that, an altered state of consciousness. Whatever revelations found in that are in a way the same as sober ones, because there aren’t any answers in nature, just whatever we come up with. What’s the harm in feeling like something, anything, makes sense? Even if it’s just a fleeting feeling
I was high, and I saw myself dissolving into the universe and became one with it for a while. And that feeling was beautiful, gave me a perspective I’ll never forget, and quite frankly changed my life for the better
I’m sure you had fun, and if you think that improved your life then good for you. But my point is that whatever revelation you had while tripping is no deeper than what anyone has when they reflect on their lives a bit while sober. You identify with this meme not because whatever “great gnosis” you had is impossible to describe to us mere mortals, but because it really is that simplistic. The only reason you think of it so highly is because your senses were going wild while thinking it.
Plus the whole “one with the universe” talk sounds very pseudosciency to me and i’m not sure if you’re just being metaphorical or you believe in magic now, so sorry if that’s not the case.
oh i’m aware, i’m not going about starting drug cults because i saw god or anything, i knew the “part of the universe experiencing itself” from Buddhist philosphy before tripping. But during my psychadelic experiences i could feel it (no i didn’t read any philosphy right before it, sure i was aware of it but this is a rather universal experience with or without phisophical background). But i do disagree on the “but because it really is that simplistic”, man, without experiencing it there is no way to truly understand, countless people (psychonauts) have attempted to describe it, and all of those descriptions pale in comparison to the experience. It’s like trying to describe colour to a blind person.
it’s not science, it’s closer to philosphy than anything. I don’t belive in magic, but i do belive in a unity of all beings with the universe, i mean, we are objectively a part of it, made of all the same stuff, just awake
I’ll add to this thread in my own way.
Drugs are much like tools (for they are tools). One may use them for good. One may use them for bad. One may specialise in them. One may be inexperienced with them. Workflows can connect well with one person, but be detrimental or impractical for another person. People simply function differently.
Judge not how one makes progress, but if progress has been made.
Whooooosh.
They’re describing how something felt, not something that “actually” happened. Who are you to say they didn’t feel that way?
Well i’d argue that feeling something isn’t exactly gnosis then. Doesn’t matter how awesome you felt if the extent of your revelation is "i exist and i’m part of the universe’
Call me cynical but hearing druggies talk about their trips like it’s some transcendental super knowledge sounds just like a facebook aunt talking about the power of healing crystals to me or some such nonsense.
Calling anyone who’s ever had a psychedelic experience a “druggie” is extremely judgemental. Unlike crystals, the point of psychedelics is the experience itself, and I can assure you it’s very real. But that makes me a “druggie” right? Seems like you think the only people qualified to comment on psychedelic experiences are the ones who know nothing about them because they’ve never had one.
I’ve no problem wih drugs or even psychedelics, but the moment you start acting like you’re a buddhist monk because you took acid once is when i’ll start rolling my eyes.
You’re reading a lot into that person’s comment that isn’t there.