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If anyone is still wondering why Hamas and other resistance factions are fighting, this is what happens when the IDF wins.
Fuck Hamas. They are not “resisting”, they killed innocent civilians, women and children, and don’t give a flying fuck about the Palestinian civilians either (cf Moussa Abu Marzouk’s declaration that they are not responsible for defending the civilians in Gaza). They are a creation of the Israeli apartheid regime’s own making when they were hoping to destroy the credibility of the PA, to perpetuate their colonialist narrative. Hamas and the Israeli apartheid are two sides of the same brutal, inhuman coin. Fuck Hamas as much as the Likud and the ultranationalist Israeli right to the seventh pit of hell.
on the radio I heard two scholars discussing recent polls that reveal a surprisingly strong level of support for Hamas among gazans even now, despite the level of backlash that has resulted. when asked why, they said that Palestinians have long given up any hope that negotiations could achieve their goal of freedom and independence. they said that since negotiating has clearly failed for decades, Palestinians feel that the only remaining option Israel has left them is aggression and violence. and Hamas is the leadership that is willing to resort to violence.
while I certainly feel awful about any innocent Israelis getting caught up in the original attack, I can’t help but feel like Israel has done this to themselves. they have caged an entire group like wild animals for decades and somehow have the audacity to blame them for lashing out.
but let’s be honest here. we have all heard these points and most of us have already made up our minds about it.
That’s what trauma does to you. Initially, support for Hamas had dwindled before October 7th, but after you literally drop bombs and bombs on people until they have to carry whatever is left of their children in blankets and plastic bags, well…
It’s hard to not let your emotions take over, but Hamas only exists because of the hatred of Israel.
Hamas exists because Israel doesn’t want Palestines to exist.
Terrorist organisation typically don’t continue to exist for extended periods of time without external assistance.
That’s what I said:
This is silly, not mentioning Iran as the actual people training and funding Hamas is either very deceptive or evidence you have no idea about anything happening in the middle East.
Also acting like Hamas are the only terrorist organisation in the middle East and a total novelty is absolutely absurd, when people call them freedom fighters without any reference to what they’re actually saying they’re fighting for is again totally deceptive or from a total lack of understanding - they don’t want freedom they want a theocratic dictatorship and death to all non Muslims.
That’s not too say everything Israel have done of good or moral but painting Hamas as innocent people just fighting for their freedom is laughable
Oh blah blah blah, this whole situation is alot simpler that Israeli defence Muppets like.
Israel is NOT a poor developing nation. Their military is on par with the UK. Their economy is doing fantastic. Quality of life in Israel is growing.
Israel wether you like it or not are always going to be the bad guys in the situation simply because they should know better. They have been taunting, attacking and murdering Palestinians for 70 years. The only countries other than Israel that are to blame are the US and the UK.
So being successful when everyone is trying to kill you makes them bad but rich countries like Iran failing repeatedly to complete the genocides they fund makes them loveable roagues who can do no wrong?
You’ll excuse me if I don’t subscribe to your philosophy of life.
No, it’s when you keep trying to slaughter Palestinians for colonial and racist reasons and succeeding at it continuously.
Israel is a country where Palestinians queue in cages and are strip searched only to be humiliated.
Fuck Israel today and every day until it stops what it’s doing.
Because you’re acting like it’s an army Vs an army, it’s not it’s an army Vs civilians
Bastards killing civilians one direction. Bastards killing civilians in the other direction.
If the bastards could fucking kill the other bastards and not involve civilians, that’d be pretty swell. If the IDF and Hamas actually fight each other and no civilians are hurt, everyone wins.
When IDF wins? They could have done this years ago with Hamas started their raine of terror over Israel following Israel trying to do a good will gesture in Gaza. Instead Israel agreed to ceasefire after ceasfire that Hamas continously broke with thousands of rockets fired at civilians. This last massacre by Hamas was simply the straw that broke the camel’s back.
You know why Hamas are fighting? Because their goal is to murder every jew they can. They don’t want peace, they want blood.
For fucks sake, Hamas is not a “resistance faction” and pretty much nothing was happening until they decided to poke the bear. They’re a bunch of worthless shitstains who don’t give two shits about the welfare of Palestinians.
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What do you think Israel should’ve done after Hamas killed over a thousand people?
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That seems like a very unlikely response, doubt any country would accept anything right after an attack like that.
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And I replied to your answer
And that’s why terrorist groups work versus modern states. They can count on disproportionate response. Hamas support was lower before Oct 7 but thanks to Israel liquidation of 20k people, now they have staunch support.
Does that involve all Jewish people leaving Israel or are you talking about the two state solution which Israel has repeatedly tried to work towards and both the plo and now Hamas reject on principle?
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Was Native American raids on “Settlements” terrorism? Was Nat Turner’s rebellion terrorism?
Hamas is evil and the acts they have done are evil. But they weren’t created in a vacuum. Peace and a one or two state solution needs to be agreed apone by all with a right to self determination for the cycle of evil to stop.
Do you like this group of people? If yes, freedom fighters; if not, terrorists
Do you like this state? If yes, government; if not, regime.
I don’t like Hamas. They are nothing more than bigoted murderers. But they are created from a system of hate. This isn’t an argument of viewpoint. It’s just facts
What’s bigoted about them? They want to kill their oppressors they don’t care about race or religion.
“They don’t care about religion” must be the single most misinformed take I’ve heard on this subject. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. They’re Islamists. What’s next, “critical support for ISIS”?
There’s a church in Gaza full of CHRISTIANS that was shot by who again two days ago? Was it Hamas? Oh no it was the IDF!
Because Hamas fights against oppressive Nazis not people of a different religion.
Because the IDF commits war crimes Hamas is not a theocratic dictatorial regime? How did you manage to infer the one from the other?
I’ll readily grant Hamas that it doesn’t oppress Christians more than it oppresses Muslims. They’re still oppressors, though.
Native American militias didn’t brutalise Native Americans, much unlike Hamas does to Palestinians.
This is simply not true. Plenty of natives fought against other natives, whether independently, or with US troops, or for bounties.
Those were generally clashes between different tribes. Hamas is doing internal political oppression, brutalising political opponents etc.
Uhhhhhh one there was definitely infighting amongst the various tribes. Even during colonial expansion. Two Hamas is doing exactly what the IDF and Israelis government pays them to do.
Irrelevant because Gaza is not different tribes, thus I ignored it. But I bet you felt smart typing that.
Quite an edgelord take but yes they’re oppressing Palestinians, and killed a lot of Israeli leftists, hippie Kibbutz type people actually helping people in Gaza, in their attacks, Kahanites certainly don’t mind that. I don’t think Israel was planning on Hamas having a shot at the Israeli-Saudi rapprochement, though.
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Is it possible for you to argue without analogies? They’re never a 1:1 representation of the situation at hand. All they do is serve to distract from the conversation by making people debate the accuracy of the analogy.
I bet you’d call the Viet Cong terrorists during the Vietnam war too lol.
This is similar to that in some regards too; similar guerilla tactics, and they’re also fighting to drive away an occupying force and reunify their country.
Their attack on Oct 7 was brutal, but it’s nothing compared to the shit Israel has been repeatedly doing for the last half century.
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is this the new line coming out from Israel? It’s not very good is it?
You pretty much have to be braindead to believe any of the propaganda coming out of Israel. Much if it doesn’t make any sense.
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No, this is what happens when you give them an excuse.
There is never an excuse for blatant warcrimes.