Yeah, Pro-Israel voters are single issue voters. Everyone else will have multiple competing priorities, and ending a genocide is jockeying for a spot on the list with healthcare, economic equality, education, and human rights at home. Biden might lose the pro-Palestine single issue voters, but they aren’t going to show up to vote for Trump, and they don’t exist in numbers that will swing any particular state Biden’s way.
Until and unless the voters demand a change to our policy in Israel, Biden isn’t the sort of “leader” to challenge his supoorters.
Not at all. But that’s my point. I think the reason Biden is pro-Israel is the same reason every other politician is pro-Israel and why anyone calling for an end to the genocide will not get enough support to get their party’s nomination.
There is no help for Palestinians coming from the United States government.
Not at all. But that’s my point. I think the reason Biden is pro-Israel is the same reason every other politician is pro-Israel and why anyone calling for an end to the genocide will not get enough support to get their party’s nomination.
because of the foreign influence campaign? I can think of a few who are… not being bribed…
Of course there is that, but don’t kid yourself, there are a lot of pro-Israel voters who really do support whatever Israel does. And as I mentioned, those voters care more about supporting Israel than they care about most other issues. They won’t vote for a candidate who doesn’t support Israel no matter what, and they vote (and donate) in large numbers in key swing states.
And, like I already mentioned, the voters who don’t support Israel no matter what are mostly opposed to the genocide of Palestinians, but that isn’t the most important voting issue for those voters. The few voters for which stopping Israel from committing genocide haven’t historically voted (or donated) in sufficient numbers to swing any state one way or the other.
The upcoming Presidential election might be the first one where Palestine shows up on exit polls as a priority issue, but since neither candidate is willing to criticize Israel, it’s hard to predict where those voters will take their votes, other than home.
Democrats are kinda beholden to public opinion and it’s mercurial nature because they’re platform is that they are the entity responsible for people getting what they want…
If public opinion sways to being against Israel, it is expected that a democratic government will follow suit.
There are probably less than a dozen politicians in America that actually listen to their constituents. The rest are Republicans or Neoliberal Democrats who more or less all play for the same team at the end of the day: money. The neoliberals are also still under the unfortunate impression that the fascists can be negotiated with, which will end very poorly for us all.
He’s currently being abandoned by young progressives over his decisions in this war. This is the demographic he needs to win the most, so you can probably see the problem here.
If they consistently voted, that would be a bigger threat. Vote third party because no one will believe the demographic that consistently sits out elections sat this one out specifically to hand the country to fascists. That didn’t work out so well for Germans or the rest of the world, but maybe the Fourth Reich is the charm.
Like I said to the other guy: They don’t vote enough but voter turnout for the 18-30 age bracket was almost 50% in 2020 (the highest in a very long time). If Biden can’t get the same numbers for 2024 he loses, and he’s very much failing at that.
…and it’s still not a good strategy.
Why not?
I suppose you imagine that the war in Gaza is just going to…. Go away? Drop out of the news chcle, maybe?
It won’t.
It’s going to stay in the news. As will Ukraine. Like they say: if it bleeds, it leads. In 4k.
I don’t see how Biden’s handling of the Gaza situation is at all a negative for him.
Yeah, Pro-Israel voters are single issue voters. Everyone else will have multiple competing priorities, and ending a genocide is jockeying for a spot on the list with healthcare, economic equality, education, and human rights at home. Biden might lose the pro-Palestine single issue voters, but they aren’t going to show up to vote for Trump, and they don’t exist in numbers that will swing any particular state Biden’s way.
Until and unless the voters demand a change to our policy in Israel, Biden isn’t the sort of “leader” to challenge his supoorters.
Do you really believe the other option will be less genocide?
Not at all. But that’s my point. I think the reason Biden is pro-Israel is the same reason every other politician is pro-Israel and why anyone calling for an end to the genocide will not get enough support to get their party’s nomination.
There is no help for Palestinians coming from the United States government.
because of the foreign influence campaign? I can think of a few who are… not being bribed…
Of course there is that, but don’t kid yourself, there are a lot of pro-Israel voters who really do support whatever Israel does. And as I mentioned, those voters care more about supporting Israel than they care about most other issues. They won’t vote for a candidate who doesn’t support Israel no matter what, and they vote (and donate) in large numbers in key swing states.
And, like I already mentioned, the voters who don’t support Israel no matter what are mostly opposed to the genocide of Palestinians, but that isn’t the most important voting issue for those voters. The few voters for which stopping Israel from committing genocide haven’t historically voted (or donated) in sufficient numbers to swing any state one way or the other.
The upcoming Presidential election might be the first one where Palestine shows up on exit polls as a priority issue, but since neither candidate is willing to criticize Israel, it’s hard to predict where those voters will take their votes, other than home.
Democrats are kinda beholden to public opinion and it’s mercurial nature because they’re platform is that they are the entity responsible for people getting what they want…
If public opinion sways to being against Israel, it is expected that a democratic government will follow suit.
There are probably less than a dozen politicians in America that actually listen to their constituents. The rest are Republicans or Neoliberal Democrats who more or less all play for the same team at the end of the day: money. The neoliberals are also still under the unfortunate impression that the fascists can be negotiated with, which will end very poorly for us all.
He’s currently being abandoned by young progressives over his decisions in this war. This is the demographic he needs to win the most, so you can probably see the problem here.
Well really what are the young progressives gonna do? Vote for whatever fascist clown is gonna run against him?
Not vote at all, or vote third party. None of these will get a good candidate into office, but they’ll do more than enough to lose Biden the election.
If they consistently voted, that would be a bigger threat. Vote third party because no one will believe the demographic that consistently sits out elections sat this one out specifically to hand the country to fascists. That didn’t work out so well for Germans or the rest of the world, but maybe the Fourth Reich is the charm.
Like I said to the other guy: They don’t vote enough but voter turnout for the 18-30 age bracket was almost 50% in 2020 (the highest in a very long time). If Biden can’t get the same numbers for 2024 he loses, and he’s very much failing at that.