• Th4tGuyII@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    Genuinely how is this not considered illegal in the US?
    If you tried this in most parts of Europe you’d be charged for committing bribery

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      11 months ago

      The Supreme Court of the United States has decided that corporations are people and money is free speech.

      We have become what Benjamin Franklin feared we would become. He could see the future:

      “In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government, but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and believe further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government.”

      • banneryear1868@lemmy.worldOP
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        The founders feared political factions forming above all and basically designed the government around not allowing factions to take absolute power, like separating the presidential office from the executive branch etc. and not even making the position clear. Presidents have basically pushed on the limits and defined the office over the years and political factions formed around economic interests of the people because of course they would. At first you basically needed a minimum amount of worked land to even vote in most states, men’s suffrage happened long before women’s. America was basically designed as a free real estate project and sort of still is.

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          11 months ago

          Pretty sure the founders kind of assumed we’d have a couple of revolutions by now

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        when the people shall have become so corrupted as to need a despotic government.

        See that’s interesting. Franklin’s talking about society getting fucked up and naturally spawning a bad government above itself as a necessary part of its own structure.

        It’s not just that people get corrupt and form a despotic government, it’s that the world getting fucked up means despots are more likely to be liked and desired by people seeking safety from the corruption around them.

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      11 months ago

      It’s illegal.

      Enforceable is the issue here because the people being bribed are the same ones that would ultimately decide any criminal appeals and they, themselves, have no accountability or oversight.

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        Who knew the American empire rested entirely on the concept of shame. Take it away, and there’s literally nothing left to keep the corrupt from burning the whole experiment to the ground.

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          Or cultivate healthy emotions, and build the thing back into integrity again.

          Saying that our system collapses when a sense of honor collapses isn’t the worst criticism. I’m not sure that a system that could survive most people being awful would be worth living in.

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      The bar set for bribery was set by legal precident which established a “test” which has multiple parts that must be met to be considered bribery. This test must have a clear “quid pro quo”, with hard evidence, to show that a particular action was taken in exchange for the bribe. Unfortunately, swaying a person to a particular mindset is not a specific action so it does not meet the standards of this test. It also means that lawmakers may repeatedly be given gifts and donations to be kind when writing laws in favor of things like less burdensome taxes for the wealthy, or harsher penalties for the poor - simply because those lawmakers and the gift givers are like minded and totally not engaging in bribery.

      The scary thing is that this system is self sustaining and stable. Bribe to make bribery harder to enforce. Wealthy people have money to bribe lawmakers and judges, thus making laws in favor of wealthy people and against poor people. It’s got a built in Nash Equilibrium.