I’ve been a hard Euroskeptic since my national conservative days - which I still am even as a communist.

I’ve found new reasons to dislike the European Union moving to the left so as to how the Western left supports them is baffling imo.

  • sludgeyrevolution@lemmygrad.ml
    22·
    2 years ago

    Only kinda related but it’s weird that marxists let the libertarians take over the 9/11 truth movement. I heard that communists used to be apart of it very early on.

    • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
      20·
      2 years ago

      Yep, Western Left lets fascists have every juicy story because they are brainwashed to only argue for leftism via capitalist-approved factoids and narratives. Their will is weak and they let their enemies say whatever and they take it to heart. You could shoot a Western leftist’s parent in the face in front of them and gaslight them into saying it never happened and worshipping you within a week.

      • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
        192·
        2 years ago

        Nah fam, false flag attacks are a well-documented tool used by the US to get whatever it wants. 9/11 conspiracy spaces may have their kooks but you will be missing out on a wealth of information if you discard all of it based on 1 kook.

          • Soselin@lemmygrad.ml
            18·
            2 years ago

            I don’t think Bush literally planned 9/11 but he and his people were extremely tight with the Saudis and Saudi intelligence, as well as with Pakistani intelligence especially at that time, and they used SI and PI to cultivate AQ since they wanted a useful enemy in the Middle East to justify their PNAC shit.

            So “did bush do 9/11” I think no, AQ did that, but Bush and the neocons did have a direct hand in establishing AQ as an anti-US force since they wanted the justification to do what they spent the past 20 years doing.

            Holographic planes and this sensationalist nonsense is to distract you from the less sensational but actually very real money trail. It’s easy to debunk holographic planes as not true and actually kind of insane and so US intelligence Astroturfs about holographic planes and everyone focuses on the holographic planes instead of the Carlyle Group.

            I don’t think Bush ever sat down and said “we need to get them to fly planes into the WTC”, but he absolutely did plan “we need to get these guys money and training in how to make bombs and plan large scale terrorist attacks against the US because it’s useful for me if they kill a bunch of Americans.”

            • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
              12·
              2 years ago

              I believe it goes further than that but I would see your comment as an acceptable middle ground that socialists everywhere should be able to agree on.

              Regardless of the details of 9/11, the American Empire had some degree of a purposeful hand in, at least, cultivating an environment where such a thing would happen, eager to exploit it for propaganda and fear, and it was used to justify a new age of war and surveillance. I would like to think that summary is something most of us would agree with?

        • Foresight
          33·
          2 years ago

          Sorry but faking a plane crash as a hologram using holographic millitary technology thing for an insurance claim i don’t consider that “truth”.

          • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
            9·
            2 years ago

            This is an example of kookery, I’ve never even heard of anything about holograms.

            Would I let the kookery of Holocaust Denialism lead me to dismiss the “conspiracy theory” that the Holodomor was nothing like we are taught in the West? Would I let the kookery of New Age LA-ism lead me to dismiss “conspiracy theories” about how eating excessively processed and sweetened foods is bad?

            You see what I’m saying?

            • Foresight
              1·
              2 years ago

              They are often baseless and lacking scientific thought

        • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
          16·
          2 years ago

          The greatest thing for us socialists is that even the most professional psychopaths can’t seem to do a single wicked deed without either openly admitting it or Freudian slipping it.

          • Foresight
            13·
            2 years ago

            Isn’t freudian theories considered as debunked?

            • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
              9·
              2 years ago

              I believe there are many who reject psychoanalysis yes. I’ve never even read Freud but I definitely think “Freudian slip” among other Freudian concepts is useful.

              I don’t like George Orwell but I still think Orwellian terms like crimestop, group think, Hate Hour, newspeak, doublethink, “we’ve always been at war with Eurasia” etc. are very useful.

    • Foresight
      33·
      2 years ago

      Well in the early days we just followed Jason Unrhue (he was the first political news commentator who was a marxist) and we all parrotted what he said, he said America deserved 9/11 and that’s what we said. Looking back that’s obviously an incorrect position.