Many Americans think of school shootings as mass casualty events involving an adolescent with an assault-style weapon. But a new study says that most recent school shootings orchestrated by teenagers do not fit that image — and they are often related to community violence.
The study, published Monday in the journal JAMA Pediatrics, analyzed 253 school shootings carried out by 262 adolescents in the US between 1990 and 2016.
It found that these adolescents were responsible for only a handful of mass casualty shootings, defined as those involving four or more gunshot fatalities. About half of the shootings analyzed — 119 — involved at least one death. Among the events, seven killed four or more people.
A majority of the shootings analyzed also involved handguns rather than assault rifles or shotguns, and they were often the result of “interpersonal disputes,” according to the researchers from University of South Carolina and University of Florida.
It’s literally the next argument you make.
But they don’t use their bare hands, they use the guns you demand they are sold, significantly increasing the chances of your friends being killed.
Violent, abusive partners that you also demand are sold guns, despite domestic abuse being one of the strongest predictors of homicide.
What about him? 99% of guns used in crimes were either legally sold to the criminal, or sold to a “responsible gun owner” that failed to secure the weapons and promptly had them stolen.
The laws you’re leaping to the defense of armed the murderer, the people who threatened him and from the sound of it, guns only made his life significantly worse.
I’m not even sure how you think you’d solve this in your gun utopia. If your nephew was a child at the time, they wouldn’t be eligible to carry a handgun with them at all times. If they did have a gun, your expectation seems to be that he could have murdered the criminal back, which would have only made the trauma, threats and court appearances even worse.
If you didn’t make all these people up, it’s clear you’re just using them as props. It’s genuinely surreal that you could have at least 7 people in your life that you ostensibly love, all of whom have been the target of violence, yet you support their abusers and oppressors buying handguns and semi-automatic rifles.
Nobody advocating gun control thinks it will end all forms of violence, nor do they oppose other forms of violence reduction.
They oppose supplying violent people the tools they use to maximise their violence, with near-zero consideration of the risk that poses to innocent people.
They ask themselves “How many people would have died at Pulse nightclub if the killer only had a bolt-action? What about if he only had a knife? What about if we lost our minds and let the pro-gun community pick up a 6 pack of hand grenades like many of them openly support?”.
But the pro-gun community doesn’t. They just say “49 killed and 53 wounded is fine. 61 dead and 400 injured is fine. 21 children mutilated beyond recognition is fine. 3 women a day is fine”, because none of those people matter as much to them as their guns do.
Which violent crimes am I blocking reduction efforts for? I will support any moral and demonstably effective method of reducing violent crime of any sort. The current gun laws meet neither of those requirements.
I’m focusing on a single issue because that’s the issue we’re discussing, not because it’s the only one I support.
Because showers have a near zero drowning risk and bathtubs don’t. Beaches and swimming pools have a higher drowning risk still, which is why we have systems in place to mitigate those dangers through lifeguards.
If you think this simple concept is “nonsensical”, we’ve probably isolated why you think gun laws are perfect just the way they are – you’re completely unable to identify different risk levels, even when they’re extremely obvious.
Which would have been a great point if I’d suffered a traumatic brain injury and actually asked “why don’t people without guns use their guns defensively”.
Defensive gun use must inherently prevent a crime and the pro-gun community has been completely unable to demonstrate this crime reduction statistically.
Only 8% of firearm researchers agreed that 'In the United States, guns are used in self-defense far more often than they are used in crime
Which is roughly the number of violent crimes reported in America each year. You’d think if 50% of all violent crimes were prevented by guns, that would be trivial to prove.
Instead, we end up with figures that say things like “only 3% of all mass shootings are ended by a good guy with a gun”.
Congratulations, you’ve accidentally realized that different weaponry comes with different risks to the public and that those risks are significantly reduced when weapons are less portable, lower range and have a lower rate of fire.
But of course, your little story about cannons doesn’t actually represent your views on guns, otherwise you’d oppose handguns and semi-automatic weapons, aligning your opinions with the most widespread gun control laws across the globe.
You said “artillery”. Should we go through different forms of artillery and you can either say “Yes, I support anyone who can pass a background check owning that with no training or safety requirements” or “actually it turns out I’m not an arms absolutist after all and some weaponry isn’t worth the social risk”?
So now that those racist laws are gone, there’s no more race problems right? All the Black Panthers are living happily ever after and definitely weren’t executed by the state, guns or no guns.
Because it sure seems like your guns didn’t fix shit for them.
Police still execute them in the street and if they had a gun on them, there isn’t even an investigation. Hell, if they fired at the police, those police would probably get a medal for killing them.
But if you know the magic proceedure to follow to stop police brutality using cool guns, I’m all ears. You’re a black man, you’ve been stopped by police, you have a legal firearm in your pants. When do you start blasting?
Be specific, because the lives of people you don’t give a shit about are on the line.
Once you’ve sorted that, you can explain how selling guns to neo-nazis with a history of domestic violence helps them.
Here’s their gun laws.
What a surprise, they require gun licenses which won’t be granted for self-defense, guns that are not appropriate for their stated purpose or applicants with a history of mental health issues, violence or substance abuse.
All of that is gun control, which the pro-gun community opposes.
Fortunately, the people of Finland don’t. So after a two school shootings using pistols, police were grilled about why the gun licenses were issued, then legislation was updated to require two years of active, documented hobby shooting before being issued a pistol license, as well as being over the age of 20.
Crazy. It’s almost like those “hoops” filter out mass murderers.
Nah. You want to be a “responsible gun owner”, so its time for you to take responsibility.
You shouldn’t have any trouble finding countries that would revoke the gun license – if not criminally charge – anyone found keeping a handgun in a glovebox or sock drawer and an AR-15 in a closet.
Millions of Americans do, and it sounds like you’re among them. It sure seems like “responsible gun owners” hate the thought of that responsibility being mandatory.
The pro-gun lobby are, and they’re both funded by you and representing you.
Did you tell all those “women you know” at the top of your comment that you still support their ex-partners owning firearm, even though they have a restraining order? Did they ever speak to you again? Because I certainly wouldn’t if someone told me “I’d rather risk your murder than risk temporarily depriving an innocent person of an inanimate object”.
Yes, you have demonstrated that countries with gun control have lower murder rates (which is exactly my point) despite still having other crime (which I never claimed gun control would eliminate).