Never met an it-pro using that thing. And beside some boomers and younger technically challenged, i have never seen one using it.
To each his own. People actually use facebook too. Or even twi… Errr. X.
Yeah, that’s small little thing, that everyone uses it. I’ve been waiting to get away from WhatsApp for years, but I would be an idiot to say that I can get away from it and still communicate with my family and friends via text.
If everyone would think this way, all other messengers would be extinct and Zuckerberg would rule over everyones most personal data. And then, oh wonder, it suddenly has a subscription-cost too.
Not for me. If people are so stubborn to use it, they gotta go back to email or sms if they really wanna reach me.
I don’t use that crap, nor facebook or twitter or instagram or tiktok or…
It is extremely widespread in Europe. In Germany, a good 50 million people (out of 80) use it every day. I would describe myself as very tech-savvy and privacy-conscious and would normally never use it , but since everyone in the family and friends use it without exception, there is no escape. plus quite a lot of business now use whatsapp for contact / support.
Same here (South America). You can not use it yourself but it will mostly keep you out of the loop on everything. Most of the phone companies don’t charge you whatsapp message data just to make it more inescapable.
How is that even a thing? are your data-plans that shitty that this bit of whatsapp-traffic matters? Unless you’re sending some hour-long movies every days.
Depends on the country, in mine data plans are not that expensive (add some asterisks to that). But they include those “whatsapp free” or some streaming service traffic with no cost to get the edge over other phone companies. All of them mostly have the whatsapp free thing.
I used to live in a different country and it did make a significant difference, as @desconectado@lemm.ee points out below.
You mean the WA-traffic made a significant difference? But how? It’s still mostly just text, no?
Here data is expensive, but a messenger wouldn’t make a difference (unless you’d exchange a lot of large files) so that any provider would gain a benefit over the competition.
Including TV or netflix or tidal hifi, that’d would.
Weird…
You mean the WA-traffic made a significant difference?
No, I don’t mean that. Whatsapp traffic (files i don’t think is included in the deal) is treated by the companies independently of other data traffic. You may not have a data plan, but still get a “whatsapp free” thingy, you can text for free via whatsapp without using data plans.
Data plans exists, but there is no good middle ground. You have the unlimited 4g connection for 20 USD , or the WhatsApp only for a few dollars.
Most of the people, specially older age or people who already have unlimited data from work phones, do not need 4g unlimited connection, so why spend extra 15 USD (which is a lot in latin America), if you can still communicate perfectly fine via WhatsApp.
I’m german too, and I just deny using a tool just because “everyone else does it”. Those who use it and want to contact me, have bad luck or just use a decent messenger. This “there-is-no-escape”-mentality helps that shitty company to keep its grasp on people. I try to educate and offer alternatives. If it’s not accepted, then at least I tried.
Nah man, I value way more the contact with my mum and close friends than refusing to use an stupid app.
If my mum is in trouble and try to message me via WhatsApp: “sorry mum, I don’t answer WhatsApp messages, good luck next time trying to get someone to help you”.
Nah man, that’s so shitty.
Yeah, they do, that’s what living in a society is, not everyone does as you want, and you have to compromise.I have my own choices (in other aspects) which they probably have to live with. But I’m not going to ghost my mum (and close family) just because she uses WhatsApp, that’s plain entitlement and immaturity.
I can’t contact my mum via msm (not the same country), and are you seriously suggesting email over chat messages? They serve two different purposes.
Sorry, but it’s not ghosting to me if they’re ignorantly refusing to use anything else than this piece of crap software despite any explanation and help to install another one. Unless they’re technically that challenged, that they would need years to understand it.
I would accept nearly ANY other messenger, which i would install too. Once had viber installed just because one friend was slovakian and it’s their thing there.
But not WA.
To me it’s integrity, i couldn’t look in the mirror if I’d be installing what i despise. Like a vegan eating meat not to offend someone.
I know, most people don’t care about those things at all. But I do. And i hate, that the worst companies always win the races. I can’t hate AND support it at the same time.
Of course email serves a different purpose. But that’s beside sms the only alternative that’s most likely already installed/available. I get a message on my messenger whenever i receive an email on any account, so i least it would be little lag for me.
And almost everyone in Central America and Mexico and 45% of Canadians and high 90% range for most of Africa. So like, everyone but the USA, China, Japan, and Russia.
The boomers who are using zuckerapp do have emails. It will work out fine 😁
WhatsApp isn’t only for boomers. Pretty much everyone with a smartphone uses it.
Never met an it-pro using that thing. And beside some boomers and younger technically challenged, i have never seen one using it. To each his own. People actually use facebook too. Or even twi… Errr. X.
In Europe it’s used by almost everyone.
I’m also in Europe. And for me it’s as i said. Wouldn’t even know one reason FOR whatsapp besides the popularity.
Yeah, that’s small little thing, that everyone uses it. I’ve been waiting to get away from WhatsApp for years, but I would be an idiot to say that I can get away from it and still communicate with my family and friends via text.
If everyone would think this way, all other messengers would be extinct and Zuckerberg would rule over everyones most personal data. And then, oh wonder, it suddenly has a subscription-cost too.
Not for me. If people are so stubborn to use it, they gotta go back to email or sms if they really wanna reach me. I don’t use that crap, nor facebook or twitter or instagram or tiktok or…
It is extremely widespread in Europe. In Germany, a good 50 million people (out of 80) use it every day. I would describe myself as very tech-savvy and privacy-conscious and would normally never use it , but since everyone in the family and friends use it without exception, there is no escape. plus quite a lot of business now use whatsapp for contact / support.
Same here (South America). You can not use it yourself but it will mostly keep you out of the loop on everything. Most of the phone companies don’t charge you whatsapp message data just to make it more inescapable.
How is that even a thing? are your data-plans that shitty that this bit of whatsapp-traffic matters? Unless you’re sending some hour-long movies every days.
Depends on the country, in mine data plans are not that expensive (add some asterisks to that). But they include those “whatsapp free” or some streaming service traffic with no cost to get the edge over other phone companies. All of them mostly have the whatsapp free thing.
I used to live in a different country and it did make a significant difference, as @desconectado@lemm.ee points out below.
You mean the WA-traffic made a significant difference? But how? It’s still mostly just text, no?
Here data is expensive, but a messenger wouldn’t make a difference (unless you’d exchange a lot of large files) so that any provider would gain a benefit over the competition. Including TV or netflix or tidal hifi, that’d would. Weird…
No, I don’t mean that. Whatsapp traffic (files i don’t think is included in the deal) is treated by the companies independently of other data traffic. You may not have a data plan, but still get a “whatsapp free” thingy, you can text for free via whatsapp without using data plans.
Data plans exists, but there is no good middle ground. You have the unlimited 4g connection for 20 USD , or the WhatsApp only for a few dollars.
Most of the people, specially older age or people who already have unlimited data from work phones, do not need 4g unlimited connection, so why spend extra 15 USD (which is a lot in latin America), if you can still communicate perfectly fine via WhatsApp.
I’m german too, and I just deny using a tool just because “everyone else does it”. Those who use it and want to contact me, have bad luck or just use a decent messenger. This “there-is-no-escape”-mentality helps that shitty company to keep its grasp on people. I try to educate and offer alternatives. If it’s not accepted, then at least I tried.
Nah man, I value way more the contact with my mum and close friends than refusing to use an stupid app.
If my mum is in trouble and try to message me via WhatsApp: “sorry mum, I don’t answer WhatsApp messages, good luck next time trying to get someone to help you”. Nah man, that’s so shitty.
So. They can choose the app, but you mustn’t? That’s a weird reasoning imho.
You know, there’s still a thing like sms or email if they really have to and ignore my simple wishes.
Yeah, they do, that’s what living in a society is, not everyone does as you want, and you have to compromise.I have my own choices (in other aspects) which they probably have to live with. But I’m not going to ghost my mum (and close family) just because she uses WhatsApp, that’s plain entitlement and immaturity.
I can’t contact my mum via msm (not the same country), and are you seriously suggesting email over chat messages? They serve two different purposes.
Sorry, but it’s not ghosting to me if they’re ignorantly refusing to use anything else than this piece of crap software despite any explanation and help to install another one. Unless they’re technically that challenged, that they would need years to understand it. I would accept nearly ANY other messenger, which i would install too. Once had viber installed just because one friend was slovakian and it’s their thing there. But not WA. To me it’s integrity, i couldn’t look in the mirror if I’d be installing what i despise. Like a vegan eating meat not to offend someone.
I know, most people don’t care about those things at all. But I do. And i hate, that the worst companies always win the races. I can’t hate AND support it at the same time.
Of course email serves a different purpose. But that’s beside sms the only alternative that’s most likely already installed/available. I get a message on my messenger whenever i receive an email on any account, so i least it would be little lag for me.
IT Pro here. I use it. WhatsApp was around way before Zuckerberg was involved with it.
I’m all for getting away from WhatsApp but at this point it’s well ingrained with the general population. I’d love to see RCS take over.
You have never been to South America.
Sadly no. But would not change my stance anyway 😊
People who use edge maybe.
In Europe, it’s so common that it is a requirement for some parts of society.
No, just everyone in Europe and South America and India.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59040175
And almost everyone in Central America and Mexico and 45% of Canadians and high 90% range for most of Africa. So like, everyone but the USA, China, Japan, and Russia.
In Russia it is VERY widespread actually, at least with the older generation. But Telegram is probably more prevalent among younger people.
Telegram won’t bow to countries. Russians know that Pavel had to emigrate due to that. WhatsApp surely complies to all russian inquiries :-)
At least edge is a better browser than whatsapp a messenger :-)
just barely, they are pretty close in their bullshit levels.