• Mopswasser@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    Could you come to me and make sense of Putin controlling the party and at the same time being staunchly pro Israel and issuing things like this:

    On the eastern side of Europe, a major war is raging between Russia and Ukraine after the Russian aggressor unlawfully invaded Ukraine.

    Seriously, discourse here is absolutely broken.

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        1 year ago

        A Kreml connected agency inviting individuals to speeches etc. might prove that Russia tries to exert influence. The PVV’s actual party line is still grossly at odds with Russian policy. But sure, that’s part of the Deep Kremlin’s smokescreen …

        • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/22/geert-wilders-profile-netherlands-elections-far-right

          In Kyiv, which has faced growing western war fatigue, the results will be met with worry. Like other far-right leaders on the continent, Wilders has praised Vladimir Putin’s rule, rallying against what he has described as “hysterical Russophobia” in Europe.

          Four years after Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula, Wilders travelled to Moscow and met senior Russian officials in the Duma, a trip that was fiercely condemned by relatives of Dutch victims of the shooting-down of flight MH17, who blamed him for ignoring Moscow’s part in the disaster.

          Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Wilders has somewhat distanced himself from the Kremlin, calling the invasion a mistake.

          But a government under Wilders is unlikely to play the same role in aiding Ukraine as seen under longtime prime minister Mark Rutte, who led the effort to deliver F-16 combat aircraft to Ukraine.

          In one of the last debates prior to the elections, Wilders said he would not support sending Ukraine more weapons, a statement that will send a chill through Ukraine, as military aid already appears to be faltering.

          Wilders is a fascist. He probably lies a dozen times between waking up and his first coffee.

          Looking at his actions it is clear, that he changed rhetoric on the current sentiment to get elected, but he aims to undermine Ukraine support.

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          1 year ago

          Sure, but ties with Russia is not BS and not a “broke discourse”, there definitely is something there. And we need more discourse about it.

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              1 year ago

              It IS! But for some people it’s too much to allow that into their minds. So I try a different tactic: a little slower, so you can also get onboard with this.

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                1 year ago

                What’s known is that certain members of the PVV have dealings with an intransparent Russian agency. How you come from this to

                Its a proven fact that Putin is in control of this party.

                is beyond my comprehension.

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                  1 year ago

                  Ok, listen can we at least agree that PVV is not “clean” when it comes to Putin? And that they are very much anti “helping Ukraine” ?