But all in all, it’s a ship-of-Theseus situation. Is something the Roman Empire if it doesn’t contain Rome, consists of land that was never occupied by Romans, uses a language that wasn’t spoken in the Roman Empire, doesn’t have any societal or political connections to the Roman Empire, doesn’t call itself the Roman Empire and ultimately is no empire?
In the case of Russia and then Finland it’s a case of “I once touched someone who touched someone who touched someone who touched the Queen, so I am now the Queen.”
And calling the Western Roman Empire illegitimate (even though it contained Rome) and then the Ottomans too, but calling the Russian Empire (which never had anything to do with the Roman Empire) legitimate is more than questionable.
All in all, a fun little meme, but no factual basis to back it up.
And calling the Western Roman Empire illegitimate (even though it contained Rome) and then the Ottomans too, but calling the Russian Empire (which never had anything to do with the Roman Empire) legitimate is more than questionable.
I mean, obviously it’s a joke chart so it stretches interpretations to get the conclusion/punchline, but it might mean ‘illegitimate’ because, as it notes, the West was ‘reunited’ (extremely temporarily) with the Eastern Roman Empire, and the ERE always claimed to be the ‘one’ true legitimate Roman Empire.
Nothing wrong with a joke chart, and as such it isn’t bad at all.
I was just answering to the commenter before me who asked how true the chart is. And if you want to know whether the chart is factually correct that Finland is the (heir of) the Roman Empire, then the answer has to be no.
The chart is all technically true. Finland was united in a crown union with the Russian crown, when the tsar abdicated, the decision was made for the Finnish parliament to take up sovereignty in his abscence. Thus, in a sense, you could say that Finland maintained the claims of the Russian crown in that the same instrument of government was continued and responsible for the transition to a republican and independent Finnish government, while the Russians overthrew the old regime entirely and replaced it with the shiny new Soviet system.
No one takes it seriously though, it’s really just a kind of historical joke, and as the chart alludes to, there are more claimants to the Roman Empire than residents of the city.
How true is this? I really want to reshare this, but need to know if its true
Nothing of this is as clear-cut as it says here.
But all in all, it’s a ship-of-Theseus situation. Is something the Roman Empire if it doesn’t contain Rome, consists of land that was never occupied by Romans, uses a language that wasn’t spoken in the Roman Empire, doesn’t have any societal or political connections to the Roman Empire, doesn’t call itself the Roman Empire and ultimately is no empire?
In the case of Russia and then Finland it’s a case of “I once touched someone who touched someone who touched someone who touched the Queen, so I am now the Queen.”
And calling the Western Roman Empire illegitimate (even though it contained Rome) and then the Ottomans too, but calling the Russian Empire (which never had anything to do with the Roman Empire) legitimate is more than questionable.
All in all, a fun little meme, but no factual basis to back it up.
I mean, obviously it’s a joke chart so it stretches interpretations to get the conclusion/punchline, but it might mean ‘illegitimate’ because, as it notes, the West was ‘reunited’ (extremely temporarily) with the Eastern Roman Empire, and the ERE always claimed to be the ‘one’ true legitimate Roman Empire.
Nothing wrong with a joke chart, and as such it isn’t bad at all.
I was just answering to the commenter before me who asked how true the chart is. And if you want to know whether the chart is factually correct that Finland is the (heir of) the Roman Empire, then the answer has to be no.
The chart is all technically true. Finland was united in a crown union with the Russian crown, when the tsar abdicated, the decision was made for the Finnish parliament to take up sovereignty in his abscence. Thus, in a sense, you could say that Finland maintained the claims of the Russian crown in that the same instrument of government was continued and responsible for the transition to a republican and independent Finnish government, while the Russians overthrew the old regime entirely and replaced it with the shiny new Soviet system.
No one takes it seriously though, it’s really just a kind of historical joke, and as the chart alludes to, there are more claimants to the Roman Empire than residents of the city.