Conversely, Biden supported the 2005 bill that made student loan debt nearly impossible to discharge in bankruptcy. I know this isn’t a popular opinion around these parts, but the terms of these loans weren’t a secret, picking and choosing who to relieve of them via the public coffers is akin to attempting to buy votes. He should have capped interest rates for all existing loans and worked for future reform so this doesn’t remain a problem.
Did you read the last sentence of my reply? I made a specific suggestion at a non targeted approach and suggested addressing the root of the problem. Biden’s actions bellie his motives.
Republicans have been eating up that tax break trickle down bullshit for decades even though they don’t see a dime of it. Biden does something that directly benefits the economic reality of the working class and you want to shame people for liking it?
Benefits the economic reality of SOME of the working class. It just so happens he’s courting those voters, and in this case successfully traded taxpayer’s funds for support. It’s not less wrong when you personally like the outcome.
In favor of eliminating AMT, inheritance tax and cutting the top marginal rate then? Those will only help a small subset of people, but people will be helped all the same. Or is it not THOSE people? Presumably those are the people you intend to get the money from to give as loan forgiveness. That hurts those people so it’s bad right? Maybe Joe is hurting the people he’s supposed to in this case so it’s good?
He improved people’s lives, so they want to support him. Is that the same thing as a tax cut for businesses and the ultra-wealthy (the only significant thing Trump achieved)?
Essentially, yes. Don’t take this as an endorsement, Trump was likely the worst president this country has ever seen, truly a national embarrassment, but he (really they) lowered individual taxes for most wage earners also (temporarily). You can’t really rail on republican stupidity, immorality, selfishness etc. if we’re all just going to vote as currency in trade. Funny how Randian people become when their selfish want is being fufilled.
I think you’ve got me pegged wrong. You can’t cut my taxes, the country spends 2 trillion dollars more than it takes in every year. I believe universal health care is the only way out of the cost spiral. This country faces crises on multiple fronts and most of them worsen every day. But do tell how a narrowly targeted loan forgiveness is in the general public’s interest versus more broad reform. Then do PPP loans.
In Biden’s case, the criterion is he’s not Trump. Otherwise, he’s a shitheel politician, always has been. He does like to tout his bonafides though. It would be a good story if there weren’t decades of evidence of his suckalige. If it weren’t for Obama’s popularity and Trump’s ineptitude, no one would give Biden the time of day. He appeals to virtually no one, which is why he has to buy votes and “no true Scotsman” black people.
Well shit, I could be the most popular politician ever then. I wonder why no one has thought to just buy off every voter? What guise would you like your funds funneled to you under? One by one I’ll win you all over.
Interest capped for all borrowers. Bond backed government loans with no for profit middleman. Support for dual enrollment, AP and other means of obtaining college credits in general subject matter. Loan debt dischargeable in bankruptcy for private loans. Income based, sliding scale tuition at public universities instead of bigger loans for those who come from lesser means. People forget many of these public universities that cost 30k a year were land grant colleges established for the education of the public in the public’s interest.
Edit; the whole income based tuition sentence I somehow cut out in the original.
We could just not borrow it into existence. It’s not like there is a surplus and we have to figure out how to give it back to the taxpayers. Just like we shouldn’t have saved the banks in 2008 (the institutions and their shareholders, not the depositors.). Just like we shouldn’t to fund genocide across the globe. Government spending should benefit the citizenship broadly, not pick winners and losers.
Congratulations, in my 20 odd years of going on various internet forms and pages, this is probably the stupidest take I have ever seen. God damn your teachers must have been dumbfounded by your ability to be so obtuse.
How will I ever sleep at night knowing I’ve offended your sensibilities so? I noticed you didn’t bother helping me shed the scales from my eyes. So help me out, when am I supposed to vote selfishly and when am I supposed to vote socially, I’m confused. Judging by the down votes, I think I’ve been doing it wrong most of my voting career. Hate the take, but tell me how their words don’t mean their support was purchased by government largess. The things you hate about Republicans you should be equally disappointed in Democrats for doing. That being said, I’ve no problem with the administration’s facilitating relief borrowers qualified for under the terms they agreed to (like PSLF, total disability and 20 year repayment). Eating one party’s pork while decrying the other’s tainted just furthers the “both sides” fallacy.
Soooo he bought your vote, gotcha.
“This candidate did something that made life so much easier for now that I’m not swimming in borderline crippling debt”
“Hmmmm so he bought your vote then, sheep”
Conversely, Biden supported the 2005 bill that made student loan debt nearly impossible to discharge in bankruptcy. I know this isn’t a popular opinion around these parts, but the terms of these loans weren’t a secret, picking and choosing who to relieve of them via the public coffers is akin to attempting to buy votes. He should have capped interest rates for all existing loans and worked for future reform so this doesn’t remain a problem.
So you want to perpetuate a bad decision from nearly 20 years ago instead of doing anything to modify or address it now?
Did you read the last sentence of my reply? I made a specific suggestion at a non targeted approach and suggested addressing the root of the problem. Biden’s actions bellie his motives.
Republicans have been eating up that tax break trickle down bullshit for decades even though they don’t see a dime of it. Biden does something that directly benefits the economic reality of the working class and you want to shame people for liking it?
Benefits the economic reality of SOME of the working class. It just so happens he’s courting those voters, and in this case successfully traded taxpayer’s funds for support. It’s not less wrong when you personally like the outcome.
Oh so it’s not perfect and doesn’t help everyone’s situation so it’s wrong and not good at all?
It helps people, it’s good.
In favor of eliminating AMT, inheritance tax and cutting the top marginal rate then? Those will only help a small subset of people, but people will be helped all the same. Or is it not THOSE people? Presumably those are the people you intend to get the money from to give as loan forgiveness. That hurts those people so it’s bad right? Maybe Joe is hurting the people he’s supposed to in this case so it’s good?
He improved people’s lives, so they want to support him. Is that the same thing as a tax cut for businesses and the ultra-wealthy (the only significant thing Trump achieved)?
Essentially, yes. Don’t take this as an endorsement, Trump was likely the worst president this country has ever seen, truly a national embarrassment, but he (really they) lowered individual taxes for most wage earners also (temporarily). You can’t really rail on republican stupidity, immorality, selfishness etc. if we’re all just going to vote as currency in trade. Funny how Randian people become when their selfish want is being fufilled.
Doing good things is good, actually.
Cut my taxes, right? Cancel welfare programs, public social and health services so I’m not paying for some deadbeats!
That more your speed??
He’d be fucked. I guarantee he’s a deadbeat living with mom.
I think you’ve got me pegged wrong. You can’t cut my taxes, the country spends 2 trillion dollars more than it takes in every year. I believe universal health care is the only way out of the cost spiral. This country faces crises on multiple fronts and most of them worsen every day. But do tell how a narrowly targeted loan forgiveness is in the general public’s interest versus more broad reform. Then do PPP loans.
What exactly is your criterion or are your criteria for supporting a politician if “he does want I want” isn’t one of them?
In Biden’s case, the criterion is he’s not Trump. Otherwise, he’s a shitheel politician, always has been. He does like to tout his bonafides though. It would be a good story if there weren’t decades of evidence of his suckalige. If it weren’t for Obama’s popularity and Trump’s ineptitude, no one would give Biden the time of day. He appeals to virtually no one, which is why he has to buy votes and “no true Scotsman” black people.
That’s how it should work
Well shit, I could be the most popular politician ever then. I wonder why no one has thought to just buy off every voter? What guise would you like your funds funneled to you under? One by one I’ll win you all over.
You’re against tax payer dollars going towards tax payers? What would you rather happen?
Interest capped for all borrowers. Bond backed government loans with no for profit middleman. Support for dual enrollment, AP and other means of obtaining college credits in general subject matter. Loan debt dischargeable in bankruptcy for private loans. Income based, sliding scale tuition at public universities instead of bigger loans for those who come from lesser means. People forget many of these public universities that cost 30k a year were land grant colleges established for the education of the public in the public’s interest.
Edit; the whole income based tuition sentence I somehow cut out in the original.
A wishlist of economic policies doesn’t answer why you think it’s a bad thing that tax money goes towards the citizenry who were taxed.
We could just not borrow it into existence. It’s not like there is a surplus and we have to figure out how to give it back to the taxpayers. Just like we shouldn’t have saved the banks in 2008 (the institutions and their shareholders, not the depositors.). Just like we shouldn’t to fund genocide across the globe. Government spending should benefit the citizenship broadly, not pick winners and losers.
Congratulations, in my 20 odd years of going on various internet forms and pages, this is probably the stupidest take I have ever seen. God damn your teachers must have been dumbfounded by your ability to be so obtuse.
How will I ever sleep at night knowing I’ve offended your sensibilities so? I noticed you didn’t bother helping me shed the scales from my eyes. So help me out, when am I supposed to vote selfishly and when am I supposed to vote socially, I’m confused. Judging by the down votes, I think I’ve been doing it wrong most of my voting career. Hate the take, but tell me how their words don’t mean their support was purchased by government largess. The things you hate about Republicans you should be equally disappointed in Democrats for doing. That being said, I’ve no problem with the administration’s facilitating relief borrowers qualified for under the terms they agreed to (like PSLF, total disability and 20 year repayment). Eating one party’s pork while decrying the other’s tainted just furthers the “both sides” fallacy.
TL:DR
Brilliant reply, truly thought provoking. Short enough for you?
That’s how literally every politician works
So both sides then? If so, I’ve been mostly voting wrong. Ayn, they’re all coming around! Tell Keynes he was right and that we love him!
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