• Kalash@feddit.ch
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    1 year ago

    Muddling up these two issues is so very stupid … just keep the climate message on climate, how fucking hard is that?

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      The driving force of climate change is the same reason for the military industrial complexe. Profits over people will always lead to these outcomes. You gotta be able to acknowledge and discuss this stuff.

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            Because it’s not actual business taking place. Profit is when you produce more value than you consumed, as evidenced by people being willing to pay your price for the goods or services you’re offering.

            Government doesn’t willingly buy things in the same way as a consumer or other private entity. It is compelled to by law, and instead of computing actual value in its purchases it seeks minimum cost for a set level of service.

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              That isn’t an explanation on how companies who provide products and services to the government aren’t for profit.

              I’ve worked for companies that had government contracts. They are for profit and it isn’t grants.

              I don’t know it works in your mind but in the real world you can actually make good money (and profit) with gov. contracts.

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                It’s wild people are so ignorant to how our economic system works and how our government is entwined in it. Then again,

                looks around

                no, shit, that actually explains alot.

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        You gotta be able to acknowledge and discuss this stuff.

        If the only way to advocate for climate action is to also try and turn people into pacifist commies, we can just stop trying.

        edit: the laughable failure to understand basic human psychology in this thread, lmao

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          “I can give up fossil fuels, or I can stop slaughtering innocents but fuck you if you want both.”

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            Let me put it in simpler terms. I can do the right thing as long as it doesn’t require me to do something very wrong. Then it would be wrong.

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      What funny is both issue are extremely linked.

      Earlier this year, Isreal sign an agreement with Lebanon to help explore the area for gas and oil.

      Isreal anounced a new middle East to supply eroupe with gas.

      Iareal on October 19 or around ot awarded 12 companies the ability to explore gas and oil in the region.

      The only thing that was stopping them is Hamas.

      The expected value goes over 400 billion in the last few years, as expressed in a report by the UN about the gas field there.

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        Besides that i’d really like to know how much these sneseless wars contribute towards further polution. All the jets burning, ground vehicles moving, possibility of nukes

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          Depends on how many lives are cut short and never become. If one woman were to have had 6 kids who then made another 12 grandchildren, their footprint would be much higher than if a woman never was going to have kids.

          Overall it is a dark topic. But ~7 lives to a fighter jet tank of gas if I saw correctly. (28 metric tons per tank) average footprint worldwide is about 4 per person.

          The moral of the story I suppose is to send everyone to war on foot, nude, and only hand to hand combat is permitted. Don’t want to figure out the footprint of a sword or hammer. Easier just to say pick up a rock.

          Now that that’s sorted, let’s have some tea.

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        What funny is both issue are extremely linked.

        They are not. It’s a tiny region of the world and it’s ridiculous to even bring a climate consideration into such a conflict.

        The only thing that was stopping them is Hamas.

        Yes, and Hitler really liked dogs and Nazis did a lot for animal welfare. Fuck off.