• uphillbothways@kbin.social
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    Looking forward to the day Putin gets done like these warships he’s been losing, and hopefully by the Russian people. Fucking scumbag war criminal.

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      1 year ago

      I think in the context of the Black Sea fleet it’s considered major. They cannot replace them so every ship counts especially missile carrying ones.

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        1 year ago

        this sent me down a hole comparing the two. looks like in terms of relative armaments, the Rocinante isn’t that different to modern day.

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          what about all the redefining the entire ship as something new by spoofing a transponder code that should be unspoofable… eh that sounds normal these days

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        They have a navy, but most of it is outside the Black Sea, and Turkey is not going to let it in.

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      You’re right, it’s not, but it’s what the Russians have. Keep in mind that the Black Sea is basically an oversized brackish lake, but is really important to the Russians because it has warm water ports. Russians love warm water ports. They also can get things into the Mediterranean from there, but they’re bottle necked at either Gibraltar or Suez for getting out into the world’s oceans.

      Just looking at what they have in the Black Sea, they have no ships over 10k tons displacement since the Moskva sank. There’s 5 ships around 5k tons, then 12 missile corvettes of 500 to 800 tons (one of which is the Askold mentioned in OP, and it was at the higher end of that range). The rest of the combat ships are things like submarines, landing craft, anti-submarine patrol, and a few others that aren’t really relevant against Ukraine.

      Considering what’s left there, this is big, if not major. It was the biggest of their missile boats, and limits how many cruise missiles Russia can lob into Ukraine on any given day.

    • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Are they lost? Yes

      Have they lost? Unfortunately no, they’re going to throw death and suffering at this conflict they started until they get what they want or they (somehow) run out of bodies to throw.

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        1 year ago

        They have strengthened their ability to pull from prisons too which opens up hundreds of thousands of more bodies for the front lines.

        The west needs to double down and double down again in support of Ukraine.

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            As opposed to letting an authoritarian state gain more power and influence? Methinks people in other parts of the world must have thought it is a sunk cost fallacy as well to support Britain when they were left standing alone when France fell to the Nazis. But I have to admit as to why some would be reluctant to provide more support for Ukraine considering much of the world is experiencing cost of living crisis. Although many countries, including the US, at the start of World War II were just reeling from the Great Depression either and yet still provided support for Britain.

            Ukraine today and Britain then received billions of dollars of support, which is a lot for the common folks, but the truth is that they’re chump change relative to entire budget of the US government back then and now. Though again, I recognise that these are chump change in billions of dollars could make a massive difference to the lives of people on the domestic front. However, I would like to remind others that a lot more billions of dollars will be lost if Russia is allowed to win and if the Nazis back then had won. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is a direct violation of UN Charter to respect national sovereignty and borders. What we have built in the past 70 years or so to maintain peace will be for nothing and we’d be back to the more Wild West-style international relations that led to the Second World War. Letting Russia could collapse the UN and lead to World War III.

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              …letting an authoritarian state gain more power and influence?..

              That’s one weird argument. Are you implying that meddling with other state’s affairs is justified if it’s to keep it from gaining power and influence?

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                That’s one weird argument. Are you implying morality stops at borders?

                And it’s not even meddling, they are asking for help.

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                  Are you implying morality stops at borders?

                  Kind of, yeah. A moral cause in one country can be an evil wrongdoing in other. Case in point - Al-Qaeda was formed because US troops were deployed in some country in the middle east to defend someone.

                  And it’s not even meddling, they are asking for help.

                  I’m okay with helping Ukraine. I’m not okay if it’s helping only to fuck with Russia.