• keardap@lemmy.selfhost.quest
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    11 months ago

    Hamas went into houses and killed everyone. Even houses with no military target inside.

    Israel is killing civilians only when they are used as human shield for Hamas.

    This is not the same.

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      11 months ago

      Just because you believe Israeli press releases doesn’t make them true. If you level a building full of civilians because you have Intel that one Hamas guy is inside, how is that not the same? If you accept that disproportionate civilian casualties are justified when Israel creates them, you must accept the same for Hamas.

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        11 months ago

        I don’t belive IDF/Israel press releases, I don’t have to. Hamas members streamed it at real time. Israel is now collecting evidance of that, but you can go see the video if you don’t mind the damage to your soul.

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          11 months ago

          Curious where you watched those Hamas live streams. Also wonder how your soul has avoided the damage from seeing years of footage of children murdered by Israeli bombs.

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            11 months ago

            Children being killed when used as human shield by Hamas makes me hate Hamas. As they create the equation where Israel is either defenseless or killing children.

            Hamas people going into houses and burning children alive, directly, not as collateral damage, again made me hate Hamas.

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              11 months ago

              If you bomb a hospital or a school, knowing there are babies inside, it does not matter if you think a Hamas guy is in there too. Honestly consider you are the one making the call to bomb. Could you do it? I know I couldn’t. Just because you turn a blind eye to the babies that Israel knowingly burns, or because a bomb from above feels more civilized to you, doesn’t make it any different.

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                11 months ago

                It is different, if Israel won’t kill those babies Hamas will keep attacking Israelis, killing babies too. Hamas will try to kill all Israelis. Israelis has three choices:

                • Leave Israel to a different country, something that the majority of people are not able to do.
                • Stay in Israel, get bombarded by Hamas daily.
                • Attack Hamas, which will get babies killed, has Hamas is using them as human shield.

                Israel has PTSD, and Hamas triggered it. I’m very happy not to be in the position to press the button, and I can’t judge the people that are.

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                  11 months ago

                  Holy fuck, PTSD? You don’t think Palestinians have it? Everyone in Gaza has lost family members to Israeli terrorism. Even when they aren’t under active bombardment or gunfire, they are subject to life in a ghetto. They are not free to come and go, their power, water, food and medicine trickle in at the whim of Israel. Why do you think people in Gaza voted for Hamas? Israel has created a desperate people who don’t have any good options.

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                    11 months ago

                    Israel left Gaza Strip in 2005, leaving the Gazans to do as they wish. Including free access to the sea. Israel wanted nothing to do with Gaza after that.

                    Gazans voted for Hamas in 2007, a body that want to exterminate Israel and fired rockets into Israel. So Israel set a blockade.

                    The PTSD comment is not about right and wrong, but about being smart. Don’t scare people stronger than you with automatic response of ‘fight’. Don’t whine if you lose some teeth if you do.