It’s a stark contrast of response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It turns out there are limits to the “right to self defence” and those are mostly governed by public narrative.
Sadly, it’s only the people in the disputed territories and their families that truly suffer consequences for their decision to salt the earth.
I think their point was, the US supports Isreal and Ukraine, but Ukraines support was conditional on them waging a humane war in self defense, but Isreal has no such restrictions, and the US has been incredibly slow to question them.
Edit - NM, re-read. It’s simpler than that. Ukraine defending itself - good. Hamas defending itself (from a US ally) - bad.
It does kind of stretch “defending themselves” a bit far if it lumps the initial attack. Like, I get how you could somewhat justify it by saying it was the result of decades of apartheid oppression, but targeting innocents isn’t exactly a great way go about that, and why most instantly rallied behind Ukraine after Russia started their war by indiscriminately targeting civilians as well.
Ukraine forced action with their treatment of ethnic Russians in Donbass and Luhansk and by crossing the Russian red lines (which were clearly demarcated in prior diplomatic meetings).
Not saying this isn’t important, but like literally every time hamas decides to do something this comes up.
If you consider how and why hamas was created, then no they aren’t really the first strike. That would have been Israel back in 1949.
Not that it would have changed much in terms of USA support had it been the other way around, but first strike really needs to be not taken as some auto indicator of who is wrong, especially now that countries have figured out how easy it is to run false flags for publicity.
tbf though, I think this is the first time hamas ever launched a surprise attack that wasn’t a direct response for a recent event.
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties I agree with you that the first strike counts, but according to this source the first strike belongs to Israel. 165K Palestinians injured from 2008 till 7.10.23. don’t know for you, but for me this is a staggering high number, vs. … 6K
Yup, After a year long campaign to support Ukraine against Russian occupation, I have witnessed this change of tune too, and now suddenly living under occupation and fighting your oppressor is wrong.
It’s a stark contrast of response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It turns out there are limits to the “right to self defence” and those are mostly governed by public narrative.
Sadly, it’s only the people in the disputed territories and their families that truly suffer consequences for their decision to salt the earth.
Ukraine and Palestine are the equals in this scenario not Ukraine and Israel
I think their point was, the US supports Isreal and Ukraine, but Ukraines support was conditional on them waging a humane war in self defense, but Isreal has no such restrictions, and the US has been incredibly slow to question them.
Edit - NM, re-read. It’s simpler than that. Ukraine defending itself - good. Hamas defending itself (from a US ally) - bad.
It does kind of stretch “defending themselves” a bit far if it lumps the initial attack. Like, I get how you could somewhat justify it by saying it was the result of decades of apartheid oppression, but targeting innocents isn’t exactly a great way go about that, and why most instantly rallied behind Ukraine after Russia started their war by indiscriminately targeting civilians as well.
Ukraine forced action with their treatment of ethnic Russians in Donbass and Luhansk and by crossing the Russian red lines (which were clearly demarcated in prior diplomatic meetings).
It’s not a stretch, it’s a direct analogy.
First strike does matter, though.
It can’t be the only thing that matters, but in both, our initial support went to the one attacked*.
Not saying this isn’t important, but like literally every time hamas decides to do something this comes up.
If you consider how and why hamas was created, then no they aren’t really the first strike. That would have been Israel back in 1949.
Not that it would have changed much in terms of USA support had it been the other way around, but first strike really needs to be not taken as some auto indicator of who is wrong, especially now that countries have figured out how easy it is to run false flags for publicity.
tbf though, I think this is the first time hamas ever launched a surprise attack that wasn’t a direct response for a recent event.
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties I agree with you that the first strike counts, but according to this source the first strike belongs to Israel. 165K Palestinians injured from 2008 till 7.10.23. don’t know for you, but for me this is a staggering high number, vs. … 6K
Yup, After a year long campaign to support Ukraine against Russian occupation, I have witnessed this change of tune too, and now suddenly living under occupation and fighting your oppressor is wrong.